Stuck at 35 fps with GTX 1070. Is it my mods?

[Laryen35]

As the topic states, I can't seem to get my FPS above 35 except for inside some buildings. I'll post my PC stats and Load Order.

 

PC:

ASUS STRIX ROG GL702VS

Intel® Core™ i7 7700HQ Processor

Windows 10 Home

12 GB DDR4 2400 SDRAM

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5

 

Load Order:

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

Dragonborn.esm

HearthFires.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

ApachiiHair.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHairMales.esm

SexLab.esm

RSkyrimChildren.esm

Cutting Room Floor.esp

SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

Lanterns of Skyrim Light Balance Patch.esp

Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp

RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp

FastTravelSpeedMultiplier.esp

SkyUI_SE.esp

Real Roads.esp

Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

Vivid WeathersSE.esp

IcePenguinWorldMap.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp

Winterhold.esp

Diversity - An NPC Overhaul.esp

BijinAIO_SSE-3.1.1.esp

RSChildren.esp

VampirekidsRs.esp

Beards.esp

Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp

Dawnstar Overhaul.esp

EliAtrociousRiftenTextureFix.esp

DustEffectsSSE.esp

DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp

STAC.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

dD-No Screen Blood.esp

Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

Book Covers Skyrim.esp

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

Point The Way.esp

JKs Whiterun.esp

JK's Riverwood.esp

Immersive Wenches.esp

Immersive Wenches -Apachii hairs- Patch.esp

Phenderix Magic Evolved.esp

Shor's Stone.esp

SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp

EmbersHD.esp

Ivarstead.esp

Helarchen Creek.esp

Kynesgrove.esp

Soljund's Sinkhole.esp

Karthwasten.esp

Northern Marsh Bridges SE.esp

BetterQuestObjectives.esp

BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp

Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp

LABikiniSSE.esp

Glass Variants.esp

LADX_SSE.esp

JKs Whiterun exterior.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp

Gildergreen Regrown.esp

AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp

chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp

20 More Perk Points.esp

50 More Perk Points.esp

Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp

Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp

Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

Phenderix The Dragonborn Artifacts.esp

Simple AUA.esp

UnreadBooksGlow.esp

VioLens SE.esp

VioLens SE - Book Menu.esp

Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp

CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

DHuntress.esp

FlameAtronachArmor.esp

FullBootForKKSA.esp

KKFur.esp

KKSDGWeightSliderFix.esp

KKSDrBWeightFix.esp

WeaponsOf3E_SSE.esp

Unique Uniques.esp

Skysan_GlassNTGBow.esp

JS Armored Circlets SE.esp

LadyKdCirclets.esp

RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp

Footprints.esp

Skysan_Icicle.esp

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

FNIS.esp

FNISspells.esp

FNISSexyMove.esp

SexLab Romance.esp

TrueStormsSE.esp

WetandCold.esp

Vivid Weathers & True Storms & Wet and Cold MCP.esp

Vivid Weathers & True Storms MCP.esp

VW&TSMCP Wet and Cold Patch.esp

iHUD.esp

Bijin NPCs.esp

Bijin Warmaidens.esp

Bijin Wives.esp

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

Differently Ebony.esp

Serana.esp

Valerica.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

Open Cities Skyrim.esp

Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

EEKs Whiterun Interiors.esp

EEKs Whiterun Int - ICAIO patch v1.3.esp

Immersive Citizens - OCS patch.esp

EEKs Whiterun Int - Alternative Start patch v1.3.esp

Darkwater Crossing.esp

Whistling Mine.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp

RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp

Immersive Wenches -Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch-.esp

JK's Whiterun-Open cities SSE.esp

FlowerGirls SE.esp

SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp

Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp

FlowerGirls SE - Adventures.esp

CiceroFemaleSE.esp

FlowerGirls SE - Cicero.esp

FlowerGirls SE - IW Patch.esp

RealisticWaterTwo.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Open Cities.esp

RDO - USSEP Patch.esp

StandingStonesBetterEffects.esp

LeftHandRings-1stPersonView.esp

LeftHandRings.esp

ELFX - Exteriors.esp

ELFXEnhancer.esp

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

Dual Sheath Redux.esp

Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

XPMSSE.esp

 

I'm also running Skryim Re Engaged ENB with Vivid Weather Preset. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. (And yes, Sexlab and Flowergirls.. Don't judge. Just like to keep things spicy)

[Algabar]

Hmm... I doubt you will get 60 FPS all the way outside, but more than 35 should be possible. Your mod list is quite long, but nothing really unusual.

 

Maybe it's time for checking your graphics setup. Basically, you have three components: Your graphics card driver (that NVIDIA system tools thingy), ENB and Skyrim itself.

 

My basic recommendation is: Let ENB do its job and make the NVIDIA driver and Skyrim interfere as little as possible with ENB.

 

For NVIDIA settings this means:

Any kind of Antialiasing OFF.

VSync OFF.

 

Optimize your Skyrim ini files with BETHINI (https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/4875)

Here again, turn everything OFF than can be done by ENB:

Vsync OFF,

FXAA OFF

Lensflare and DOF OFF

Only leave "TAA" on. Otherwise you will get in trouble with your saves: Without TAA enabled, Skyrim can't create matching screenshots for your saves. If you can live without those screenies, you can tunr off TAA, too....

If you want to increase performance further, you can use higher settings of "grass Density" (higher means less dense grass). Just make sure to use the same numbers in your Skyrim.ini and in your Verdant and SFO ini files. About 90 results in a noticeable performance gain and still looks quite good...

You can also play around with shadow resolution. Skyrim shadows don't look too good - no matter what setting you choose. Using 4k shadows will slow your rig down - for very little visual improvement. I'm currently at 2K Shadows. Looks as good or rather as bad as 4K IMHO.

 

If you're finished with NVIDIA settings and BETHINI, configure your ENB (enblocal.ini and ingame menu).

 

A note on ENBs: Depending on the preset, DOF can eat up a lot of performance. This is especially true with some "cinematic" dynamic DOF settings. Turning off DOF may well give you another 10 FPS or so.

 

Hope this helps a bit.

[Laryen35]

Ok, so, I tried the things you mentioned. Still in the low to mid 30's. I tried disabling the ENB Effect in game. Still 30's. Also tuned my shadows to 2k. No luck. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. Feel certain my hardware should be able to do more. I agree not quite 60 with the mods I'm running, but definitely more than what I'm getting. I've even disabled Verdant with no gain after. I'm at a loss.

Edited January 27, 2018 by Laryen35

[BIZZnice]

Hey that's about what I can get with a similar large mod list and re-engaged enb. I really feel like dialing the enb back is the trick, pretty much turn SSAO off. Pretty much turn everything off or way down and you can get closer to 40 fps. I have two GTX 1070s (obviously SLI is not compatible) but that's about what I can get and honestly if I can keep it consistently around 38 fps I'm okay with it, it is still playable for me. Watch your tree movement though with enb installed if you drop below 30fps the game engine will stop the tree sway.

[sopmac45]

Flower Girls must be on the very bottom of your load order. Open Cities must be above Flower Girls.

 

You have texture enhanced every single city in Skyrim and you do not have to do that if you have an ENB mod. The ENB will take of your textures. I have only one texture mod ( the most endorsed all time - look for it - Skyrim 2017 4k Textures ) and only one ENB and my game looks amazing.

 

I also have the Nvidia 1070, SSD 1tb, 16gb RAM, i7-6700, Z170mobo and a Viewsonic 27" 165 Hz. On the top of that, I have AA = off ( if you do not know, the AA filter will make you drop FPS ), Godrays = off, Lensflare = off, and other features either in Medium or High and only my textures quality are on Ultra. Still, I am not getting 60 fps all the time. My FPS varies from 50 to 60 depending on where I am. Sometimes it goes down to 45 ... because I have Genesis mod which spawn enemies as you please and my setup is high ( 50 for indoor and outdoor ) so anytime I am in combat, I am fighting a lot of enemies and that is the reason I am getting between 45 and 60.

 

I also have about 15 custom mods for my own use on the top of my 127 mods. So, my recommendation is to use only one texture mod + one ENB and you should be fine. Your load order is not right though. Use LOOT and read the mod description / posts looking for load order and compatibilities recommendations by the mod author. Happy gaming !

[Algabar]

In addition to sopmac45: You can also try different ENB presets. Skyrim ReEngaded looks really great, but it's a somewhat demanding preset. Compared to no ENB, it will eat up about 15 FPS outside (in interiors I get 60 FPS) on my rig , which is somewhat weaker than the OPs.

 

Rudy ENB for example also looks great and is quite performance friendly:

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/4796

[JohnnynRoger]

Have you tried installing this? This fixes a bug that causes low FPS, especially in certain areas, when there are many plugins installed.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/10547/

 

I was getting sub-30FPS in certain areas before using this fix. Now I get 60 in those same areas.

[BIZZnice]

Hi Guys,

 

I just ran my dxdiag to post up my PC specs, I mentioned before that I am having this same issue with about 200+mods installed and the NVT ENB installed I am dropping down to 25fps. But I've done some testing and really feel like there is something else not correct. Firstly, At 4k on Ultra, I can load up Vanilla Skyrim SE and will get roughly 48fps-53fps in daytime exteriors, then interiors and nights will give me a full 60fps without any issues. This is just Vanilla SE. No mods installed and only NVT ENB at full quality I am dropping down to 25fps for exteriors upper 50s for interiors, at quality I am at 30fps exteriors and again upper 50s for interiors, for performance I get about 38 to 42fps exteriors and 60fps for interiors. This is only Vanilla SE with an NVT ENB installed and running SKSE64.

 

Here is the essentials from my dxdiag:

 

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System Information

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Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (10.0, Build 16299) (16299.rs3_release.170928-1534)

Language: English (Regional Setting: English)

System Manufacturer: MSI

System Model: MS-7968

BIOS: 1.80

Processor: Intel® Core i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz (8 CPUs), ~4.0GHz

Memory: 32768MB RAM

Available OS Memory: 32730MB RAM

Page File: 7309MB used, 30285MB available

Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS

DirectX Version: DirectX 12

DX Setup Parameters: Not found

User DPI Setting: 144 DPI (150 percent)

System DPI Setting: 144 DPI (150 percent)

DWM DPI Scaling: UnKnown

Miracast: Available, with HDCP

Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported

DxDiag Version: 10.00.16299.0015 64bit Unicode

------------

DxDiag Notes

------------

Display Tab 1: No problems found.

Sound Tab 1: No problems found.

Sound Tab 2: No problems found.

Sound Tab 3: No problems found.

Input Tab: No problems found.

--------------------

DirectX Debug Levels

--------------------

Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)

DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)

DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)

DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)

DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)

DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)

DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

---------------

Display Devices

---------------

Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070

Manufacturer: NVIDIA

Chip type: GeForce GTX 1070

DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC

Device Type: Full Device

Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1B81&SUBSYS_33071462&REV_A1

Device Status: 0180200A [DN_DRIVER_LOADED|DN_STARTED|DN_DISABLEABLE|DN_NT_ENUMERATOR|DN_NT_DRIVER]

Device Problem Code: No Problem

Driver Problem Code: Unknown

Display Memory: 24360 MB

Dedicated Memory: 7995 MB

Shared Memory: 16365 MB

Current Mode: 3840 x 2160 (32 bit) (60Hz)

HDR Support: Not Supported

Display Topology: Internal

Display Color Space: DXGI_COLOR_SPACE_RGB_FULL_G22_NONE_P709

Color Primaries: Red(0.634289,0.341320), Green(0.312023,0.636242), Blue(0.158703,0.062023), White Point(0.313000,0.329602)

Display Luminance: Min Luminance = 0.500000, Max Luminance = 270.000000, MaxFullFrameLuminance = 270.000000

Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor

Monitor Model: U28E590

Monitor Id: SAM0C4D

Native Mode: 3840 x 2160(p) (59.997Hz)

Output Type: Displayport External

Monitor Advanced Color Capabilities: None

Display Pixel Format: DISPLAYCONFIG_PIXELFORMAT_32BPP

Driver File Version: 23.21.0013.9077 (English)

Driver Version: 23.21.13.9077

DDI Version: 12

Feature Levels: 12_1,12_0,11_1,11_0,10_1,10_0,9_3,9_2,9_1

Driver Model: WDDM 2.3

Graphics Preemption: Pixel

Compute Preemption: Dispatch

Miracast: Not Supported

Hybrid Graphics GPU: Not Supported

Power P-states: Not Supported

Driver Attributes: Final Retail

Driver Date/Size: 1/22/2018 7:00:00 PM, 931584 bytes

WHQL Logo'd: Yes

WHQL Date Stamp: Unknown

If anyone needs additional stats from the rest of the dxdiag just let me know, the important thing to note is that I have 2 GTX 1070s not just the one shown, don't know how or if SLI could apply to Skryim, like if I could force it somehow to improve fps or load times. I feel like there are others with a lesser set up or equivalent set up and are getting a consistent 60fps with 200+ mods installed at 4k resolution.

I really don't think this has anything to do with mods installed or load order, I really think it has to do with ENB. With ENB installed on Vanilla SE or with ENB installed on 200+mods I still drop down to 25fps regardless for full quality, 30fps for quality, and about 38-40 for performance. I have tried the SSE fixes and DLL Plugin Loader, I have followed the steps exactly, I can load the game only using Mod Organizer 2 but cannot load a save or start a new game. It will say Skyrim has encountered an error and needs to close. I have checked the binkw64.log file and it confirms the FPSfixplugin.dll is loaded correctly but I still get a crash when loading or starting a game. Also, the SSE fixes mod doesn't seem to be used by others still getting 60fps, they use other GPU tweaks such as unlocking v-sync or fps limits, which I have done as well but receive really nothing from it.

I'm going to go farther here and say that even if I had a GTX 1080 I bet I would still be experiencing this same fps performance hit when installing ENB, regardless of which ENB, whether it is Rudy's, Re-Engaged, NVT, every single ENB I have ever used across Oldrim or Skyrim SE have dropped my fps down to 25fps for full quality. I'd be interested to here of others who have a 1080 or Titan if they are anything less than 60fps. I know that the others I have talked to who have GTX 1070's are getting consistently 60fps which I cannot seem to understand.

[BIZZnice]

After I posted this I searched and found some answers and fixed my fps issue, it was resolved using the SSE fixes mod. The tricky part to make this work is to make sure your version of skyrim matches with the .dll that you download from the mod. It is likely that your version of skyrim is not going to match the .dll which means you will need to download Microsoft Visual Studio and make edits to the .dll to get it to work properly. I followed TUCOGuide's tutorial and navigated to his mod page for the proper edits. Currently, I have version 1.5.23 of Skryim which doesn't match the version of the .dll from October 2017. Once I made the edits to the .dll it now works and helps to solve my fps issues. I am now getting 50+ fps with full quality enb installed. I have noticed improvements with load times as well the load process and load screens are much faster now that this is installed.

 

Here are the links to the Tutorial and his mod page for reference:

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/articles/295

 

https://youtu.be/OIzATBv43ks

Edited February 10, 2018 by BIZZnice

[hamletsdead]

 

Hi Guys,

 

I just ran my dxdiag to post up my PC specs, I mentioned before that I am having this same issue with about 200+mods installed and the NVT ENB installed I am dropping down to 25fps. But I've done some testing and really feel like there is something else not correct. Firstly, At 4k on Ultra, I can load up Vanilla Skyrim SE and will get roughly 48fps-53fps in daytime exteriors, then interiors and nights will give me a full 60fps without any issues. This is just Vanilla SE. No mods installed and only NVT ENB at full quality I am dropping down to 25fps for exteriors upper 50s for interiors, at quality I am at 30fps exteriors and again upper 50s for interiors, for performance I get about 38 to 42fps exteriors and 60fps for interiors. This is only Vanilla SE with an NVT ENB installed and running SKSE64.

 

Here is the essentials from my dxdiag:

 

------------------

System Information

------------------

Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (10.0, Build 16299) (16299.rs3_release.170928-1534)

Language: English (Regional Setting: English)

System Manufacturer: MSI

System Model: MS-7968

BIOS: 1.80

Processor: Intel® Core i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz (8 CPUs), ~4.0GHz

Memory: 32768MB RAM

Available OS Memory: 32730MB RAM

Page File: 7309MB used, 30285MB available

Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS

DirectX Version: DirectX 12

DX Setup Parameters: Not found

User DPI Setting: 144 DPI (150 percent)

System DPI Setting: 144 DPI (150 percent)

DWM DPI Scaling: UnKnown

Miracast: Available, with HDCP

Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported

DxDiag Version: 10.00.16299.0015 64bit Unicode

------------

DxDiag Notes

------------

Display Tab 1: No problems found.

Sound Tab 1: No problems found.

Sound Tab 2: No problems found.

Sound Tab 3: No problems found.

Input Tab: No problems found.

--------------------

DirectX Debug Levels

--------------------

Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)

DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)

DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)

DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)

DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)

DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)

DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

---------------

Display Devices

---------------

Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070

Manufacturer: NVIDIA

Chip type: GeForce GTX 1070

DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC

Device Type: Full Device

Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1B81&SUBSYS_33071462&REV_A1

Device Status: 0180200A [DN_DRIVER_LOADED|DN_STARTED|DN_DISABLEABLE|DN_NT_ENUMERATOR|DN_NT_DRIVER]

Device Problem Code: No Problem

Driver Problem Code: Unknown

Display Memory: 24360 MB

Dedicated Memory: 7995 MB

Shared Memory: 16365 MB

Current Mode: 3840 x 2160 (32 bit) (60Hz)

HDR Support: Not Supported

Display Topology: Internal

Display Color Space: DXGI_COLOR_SPACE_RGB_FULL_G22_NONE_P709

Color Primaries: Red(0.634289,0.341320), Green(0.312023,0.636242), Blue(0.158703,0.062023), White Point(0.313000,0.329602)

Display Luminance: Min Luminance = 0.500000, Max Luminance = 270.000000, MaxFullFrameLuminance = 270.000000

Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor

Monitor Model: U28E590

Monitor Id: SAM0C4D

Native Mode: 3840 x 2160(p) (59.997Hz)

Output Type: Displayport External

Monitor Advanced Color Capabilities: None

Display Pixel Format: DISPLAYCONFIG_PIXELFORMAT_32BPP

Driver File Version: 23.21.0013.9077 (English)

Driver Version: 23.21.13.9077

DDI Version: 12

Feature Levels: 12_1,12_0,11_1,11_0,10_1,10_0,9_3,9_2,9_1

Driver Model: WDDM 2.3

Graphics Preemption: Pixel

Compute Preemption: Dispatch

Miracast: Not Supported

Hybrid Graphics GPU: Not Supported

Power P-states: Not Supported

Driver Attributes: Final Retail

Driver Date/Size: 1/22/2018 7:00:00 PM, 931584 bytes

WHQL Logo'd: Yes

WHQL Date Stamp: Unknown

If anyone needs additional stats from the rest of the dxdiag just let me know, the important thing to note is that I have 2 GTX 1070s not just the one shown, don't know how or if SLI could apply to Skryim, like if I could force it somehow to improve fps or load times. I feel like there are others with a lesser set up or equivalent set up and are getting a consistent 60fps with 200+ mods installed at 4k resolution.

I really don't think this has anything to do with mods installed or load order, I really think it has to do with ENB. With ENB installed on Vanilla SE or with ENB installed on 200+mods I still drop down to 25fps regardless for full quality, 30fps for quality, and about 38-40 for performance. I have tried the SSE fixes and DLL Plugin Loader, I have followed the steps exactly, I can load the game only using Mod Organizer 2 but cannot load a save or start a new game. It will say Skyrim has encountered an error and needs to close. I have checked the binkw64.log file and it confirms the FPSfixplugin.dll is loaded correctly but I still get a crash when loading or starting a game. Also, the SSE fixes mod doesn't seem to be used by others still getting 60fps, they use other GPU tweaks such as unlocking v-sync or fps limits, which I have done as well but receive really nothing from it.

I'm going to go farther here and say that even if I had a GTX 1080 I bet I would still be experiencing this same fps performance hit when installing ENB, regardless of which ENB, whether it is Rudy's, Re-Engaged, NVT, every single ENB I have ever used across Oldrim or Skyrim SE have dropped my fps down to 25fps for full quality. I'd be interested to here of others who have a 1080 or Titan if they are anything less than 60fps. I know that the others I have talked to who have GTX 1070's are getting consistently 60fps which I cannot seem to understand.

I'm running a 1080 Ti on a completely new rig and easily break 2700 on Heaven's benchmark test on ultra at 1440 resolution, with a 144 Hz monitor, and am having the same problems. My game is heavily modded (461 mods, 312 plugins), and runs fine most of the time, but I drop from 100+ FPS indoors to 35-38 FPS outside, whether it's daytime, nighttime, raining, snowing, in combat etc. Last night I was walking out of the inn in Riverside during a vampire attack and my FPS dropped to 8 for no apparent reason, then down to 1, and froze. I have all the SSE fixes, .ini tweaks, and everything else recommended for a stable 60+ FPS game, but it is not working. Disabling my ENB doesn't do diddly-squat for my FPS.