Crashes, always crashes

[TheSilverRoman]

Hello folks,

first of, if this is in the wrong section (couldn't decide if it should be in Mod throubleshooting or here), please forgive me and I would be thankful if a moderator moved it to the appropriate section.

 

The bane of all Elderscrolls games, odd crashes, has now reached me.

Here's what happens:

A) Can't load game, ctd. Can start new game, but during tutorial character moves when is not supposed to (such as walking up to the headmans block before the other prisoner dies and the game just stops doing anything)

B) Can load game, but crashes after 10 seconds.

I've managed to overcome the tutorial bug with the Live another life mod, but the crashes are infuriating.

Since the game works well without any mods, it must be a mod problem. I've run the thing through BOSS several times and through Wrye Bash as well. I'm kindof at a loss here.

At one point it seemed the amount of active mods influenced the crashes. It worked for a while with exactly 88 mods active, then later at 75. This isn't reliable though.

Here's me modlist, straight out of Boss:

 

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−Recognised And Re-ordered Plugins

Skyrim.esm Active

Update.esm Active

SkyMoMod.esm Active

WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm Active

JSwords.esm Active

Deus Mons.esm Active

Grytewake.esm Active

Lycanthropy_Audio_by_Brevi.esm Active

Natural Characters and Companions.esm Active

ApachiiHair.esm Active

HighResTexturePack01.esp Active

HighResTexturePack02.esp Active

Shrine of Azura LOD Fix.esp Active

Chesko_Frostfall.esp Active

SoS - The Dungeons.esp Active

SoS - The Wilds.esp Active

Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active

Natural Skyrim Rain.esp Active

Realistic Lighting.esp Active

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Birds.esp Active

bladesfactionfix.esp Active

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp Active

dragonsoulstoperks.esp Active

ktxcompleteskyforge.esp

Lost Art of the Blacksmith.esp

Perfect Legionnaire 3.0.esp

SkyMoMod_lists.esp

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp Active

Tytanis.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp Active

Bucklers-Complete.esp

Cloaks.esp Active

1nivWICCloaks.esp Active

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp Active

dragonpriestmasks.esp Active

EinherjarArmor.esp Active

HedgeKnight.esp Active

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp Active

Masters of Death.esp Active

Omegared99-Compilation.esp Active

Omegared99-Compilation-NPC Plugin.esp Active

ScoutArmor.esp Active

TCOSS.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

TH3WICK3D1-BlueStripesEliteArmor.esp Active

TrissArmorRetextured.esp Active

viciousdawnbreaker.esp Active

WarchiefArmor.esp Active

WeaponsOf3E.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

DeadlyDragons.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

DeadlyDragonsCreature.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

DeadManor 1.1.esp Active

Deus Mons_WithNPCs.esp Active

dnihome.esp Active

Grytewake.esp Active

LevelersTower.esp

Quest_AndTheRealmsOfDaedra.esp

Quest_NoMercy.esp

armored-horses.esp

DynamicMerchants.esp

WATER.esp Active

WATER - Get Wet.esp Active

Live Another Life.esp Active

VampireOverhaul.esp Active

Lycanthropy_Main_by_Brevi.esp Active

MidasSkyrim.esp Active

Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp Active

ShoutCD.esp

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp Active

Path of Shadows.esp Active

shenkthieveryoverhaul.esp Active

The Dance of Death.esp Active

Duel - Combat Realism.esp Active

Balanced_Alteraton.esp Active

Balanced_Conjuration.esp Active

Balanced_Destruction.esp Active

Balanced_Illusion.esp Active

Balanced_Restoration.esp Active

Balanced_Magic_Adept.esp

Note: Choose only one of the below - optional if you prefer vanilla settings or other mods which adjust these values.

LovelyHairstyles.esp Active

N_43 Hair Pack.esp Active

TheEyesofBeauty.esp Active

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp Active

Note: For safe install need dismiss all your followers, save, delete all included mods, load, save and install UFO

Natural Characters and Companions.esp Active

portal2mod.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active

−Unrecognised Plugins

 

Reorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility.

DEATH-DEALER.esp

DragonBoneWeaponsComplete.esp Active

Vigilant of Stendarr Quests.esp

 

 

Could it be a mix of Steam workshop mods and nexus mods?

 

I'm grateful for any suggestion.

[MadWizard25]

What version of skyrim are you on? 1.5.26 has issues with many mods, im not even sure if its possible to get a stable skyrim with so many mods on this version.

 

You seem to have a few mods that touch leveled lists in skyrim, do you use the bashed patch from Wrye Bash to merge these?

 

And yeah, a mix of nexus and steam workshop could definitely screw it up. Plugin load order is very important, good that you used BOSS for that, but package install order is also important. The install order matters because of mods that have the same files will overwrite each other. The last mod that you installed will overwrite all the previous mod files that have the same files. You have some control with this in NMM, but none with steam workshop. So you have no clue how steam workshop mods overrode your NMM mods. And if a SW mod overrode something important from a NMM mod, CTDs can happen.

 

I would like to use SW as well as nexus and wrye bash but atm its not possible to use both unless you want trouble. Pick one and stick with it for now, i woudl recommend nexus site + NMM (for tracking and updating) + WB (for package install order and plugin load order). In any case, you can find 98% of SW mods on nexus, and there are more nexus exclusive mods than SW exclusive mods, plus you have more detail and management with nexus. Win win!

[mucusfriend]

It is not a mod problem, it's beth's fault. I have been using some mods for months and they now give me ctd.

You may get your mods from anywhere, do not worry about mixing managers.

 

@MadWizard25: Nexus is miles ahead from Workshop but come on... Workshop mods are 1 .esp + 1 .bsa, how on earth could it overwrite anything???