A couple questions

[Krytern]

There are a couple of things I can't seem to figure out. First is how do I manually change the load order of the plugins? Also, in Mod Organiser I was able to change the 'load order' of the install mods from the left panel of the software, is that possible in Vortex? Both are pretty important to me.

[simsrw73]

Vortex switches things up a bit when it comes to ordering plugins and mod files. In a very good, vastly more flexible, and scalable way. Instead of manually dragging all your files around, you set rules to tell Vortex to load mod A after mod B. You identify conflicts, set rules only on the conflicting files and Vortex will handle the rest no matter what mods you install or remove in the future whereas in the past you had to be aware of and keep that info in mind every time you installed something new into the tangle of unlabeled dependencies.

 

Setup: I recommend going to the SETTINGS page, and turning on Advanced mode. Then go to both the MODS and PLUGINS pages and click the gear icon in the top right. Check every column. The defaults Vortex setup is not useful IMO. You need the extra display info. You can later disable any columns that you don't need as you get more experienced with the new UI.

 

In MODS: you'll now have a view of the Dependencies column. Any conflicts with loose files (not bsa) will show here with a red lightning bolt. Click on it to see the conflicts and set your rules to resolve the conflicts by having one mod overwrite the other. Once you make a rule for a conflict it will show with a green lighting bolt in the dependencies column. And in the conflict dialog it will show as an after the mod name.

 

In PLUGINS: Here, I generally use the toolbar button, "Manage Dependencies" to create rules for which mods Load After other mods. You can also drag 'n drop the dependency graph on the dependency column. When one or more rules are defined for a plugin, the dependency graph for that plugin changes to orange color. You can also set priorities to move a plugin to a area of your load order, say if you want something to load near the beginning or end of your load order, where it doesn't otherwise have a dependency on a particular mod. Double click on a plugin to open its details pane (Double clicking on the PLUGINs, MODs, and DOWNLOADs pages is an often overlooked feature, that opens a detail pane). Set the priority using the guidelines in the loot manual.

 

That's a quick flyby explanation. Gopher is releasing a series of videos on how to use Vortex, and should be releasing his video on Load Order any day now. Check out his from the ground up series here: VORTEX - A Beginner's Guide

[sopmac45]

Vortex switches things up a bit when it comes to ordering plugins and mod files. In a very good, vastly more flexible, and scalable way. Instead of manually dragging all your files around, you set rules to tell Vortex to load mod A after mod B. You identify conflicts, set rules only on the conflicting files and Vortex will handle the rest no matter what mods you install or remove in the future whereas in the past you had to be aware of and keep that info in mind every time you installed something new into the tangle of unlabeled dependencies.

 

Setup: I recommend going to the SETTINGS page, and turning on Advanced mode. Then go to both the MODS and PLUGINS pages and click the gear icon in the top right. Check every column. The defaults Vortex setup is not useful IMO. You need the extra display info. You can later disable any columns that you don't need as you get more experienced with the new UI.

 

In MODS: you'll now have a view of the Dependencies column. Any conflicts with loose files (not bsa) will show here with a red lightning bolt. Click on it to see the conflicts and set your rules to resolve the conflicts by having one mod overwrite the other. Once you make a rule for a conflict it will show with a green lighting bolt in the dependencies column. And in the conflict dialog it will show as an after the mod name.

 

In PLUGINS: Here, I generally use the toolbar button, "Manage Dependencies" to create rules for which mods Load After other mods. You can also drag 'n drop the dependency graph on the dependency column. When one or more rules are defined for a plugin, the dependency graph for that plugin changes to orange color. You can also set priorities to move a plugin to a area of your load order, say if you want something to load near the beginning or end of your load order, where it doesn't otherwise have a dependency on a particular mod. Double click on a plugin to open its details pane (Double clicking on the PLUGINs, MODs, and DOWNLOADs pages is an often overlooked feature, that opens a detail pane). Set the priority using the guidelines in the loot manual.

 

That's a quick flyby explanation. Gopher is releasing a series of videos on how to use Vortex, and should be releasing his video on Load Order any day now. Check out his from the ground up series here: VORTEX - A Beginner's Guide

 

 

 

Very well explained simsrw73 ... clear and to the point. Tannin said in one his answers to some threads, that we should only deal with dependencies in the Mod tab ( set them up and resolve them ) and then in the Plugins tab, move those mod that by mod author's recommendation should be in certain places and let Vortex to sort out the rest and it is working. Unless somebody would like to have absolute control on very single plugin and move them all around to his/her preference, that is another story and Vortex also allow that.

 

In my case, I am using the same technique that you are using, which is also what Tannin recommended to us; again, it is up to us if we want to manually move every single plugin to where we think it should be, but also, there is not really need to do that since Vortex is capable enough to place the plugins in the correct order, and I am pretty sure there are players that will debate this or more experienced players that would like to manually control everything, well it is a free world and they can do whatever they want or believe and I have no sweat with that at all.

 

Hey simsrw73 ... Gopher is still working on the next tutorial which I hope is the one that I am dying to watch : related to how to manage dependencies, moving plugins, Vortex sorting and LOOT, differences in between, etc, etc. so I hope it does come up soon so I learn more stuff or consolidate what I already know thru all of your help and my own trying using Vortex. Thanks a lot ... :cool:

[Krytern]

Thank you for the information. I've gotten SSE working with the plugins and mods load orders I want.

 

While it does work fine I do wish it was implemented using another method. Mod Organiser's simple dragging the mods/plugins up and down in what order you want is much quicker to use.