My static meshes 'Cannot be moved' ... what?

[EPDGaffney]

I remember reading something kind of like this but the opposite, where SetPos and SetAngle do work and MoveTo doesn't, but the data would still get moved even if the 3D visual representation did not.

 

So, I have a script which turns a crank. All the sounds were playing but it wasn't turning, so I checked its position in the console and it hadn't updated. Update3D didn't fix it. And attempting SetAngle in the console yielded the message that it 'cannot be moved'. Nothing about this on Google but I've seen it before. Never knew it would affect scripts, though.

 

SetAngleEx did nothing different.

 

Doing a PlaceAtMe of the object's base ID however yields a mesh that can be moved and rotated via the console.

 

Anyone familiar with this very inventive roadblock?

[EPDGaffney]

I still want to know what causes this, now that I know it can happen in scripting as well, but this worked for me in this particular instance:

https://geckwiki.com/index.php/Rotate

[Mktavish]

Ya rotate is the way to go ... when just spinning something on 1 axis.

For an on / off effect , here is a script I did for a spinning energy weapon. But could put any on/off code in there for whatever ?

 

SCN BMTurret01Script

Float Timer

Begin GameMode

If GetInSameCell Player

Set Timer to Timer + GetSecondsPassed

Rotate Y 20 ; this # is how fast it rotates , try 15 if to fast

If Timer < 2 ; this is how long the burst is on

FireWeapon BMTurretArcWeap ; this is the new weap base-id

elseIf Timer >= 2 ; this is when the burst stops

StopCombat

If Timer > 4 ; this is when to start the count over

Set Timer to 0

endif

endif

endif

End

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The notes were not meant for you , someone trying to make it work.

Just left em there since was easier :turned:

[EPDGaffney]

I had no idea we could do that and I love it. Is there a 'slide' function I've been missing as well? So often I wish I could just move an object across the world independent of physics or animations or anything like that. I use it all the time in Unreal Engine 4, so I miss it a lot modding this engine. I'd looked for something like Rotate as well but somehow missed it, so I'm hoping this exists as well.

 

That said, I think it's important to know what causes this problem where specific references can't be moved but other references with the same base ID can.

[Mktavish]

Slide as in move something across the X or Y axis ? Ya sure with "SetPos to GetPos + 1" running with a timer.

 

Here is a script I made for moving water up / down ... but can substitute "Z" with X or Y

 

This is a script I borrowed and changed from this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/61807

 

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SCN MyWaterMovingScript

Short Open

Float WaterPosZ ; this is for editing the position of the water

Float Move ; and this is for moving the water

Float StartZ ; this is for returning the water pos before deleting

Float Timer

Float Time ; this gets the timer tor the if timer line

Begin OnActivate

If Move == 0

Set Move to 1

If Open == 0

Set StartZ to MyPlacedWater01Ref.getpos z ; gets the starting z pos so it can be disabled

Set Open to 1

endif

endif

End

Begin GameMode

IF Open == 1

Set WaterPosZ to MyPlacedWater01Ref.getpos z + 1 ; use " - " for moving water down

Set Time to .001 ; this is one value for the speed the object moves

if Timer < Time

Set Timer to Timer + GetSecondsPassed

else

if Move > 0 ; this runs everytime after activated

if Move < 101 ; <<< Water will stop moving here ...set this to the Z pos difference between ;bottom and top +1

MyPlacedWaterRef.SetPos z WaterPosZ ; When this runs the reference moves

Set Time to Time + .001

Set Move to Move + 1 ; repeats steps

If Move > 100 ; <<< Same diff number above - 1... now the water stops

MyPlacedWater02Ref.Enable

MyPlacedWater01Ref.SetPos z StartZ

;enable player controls here if you had to disable them

MyPlacedWater01Ref.Disable

Set Open to 0

Set Move to 0

endif

endif

endif

endif

endif

End

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And the caveat with moving water ... is it's information for what makes an actor go into swimming mode , or holding their breath. Will not move with the visual surface. So you have to enable a new placeable water at the height the old one traveled. Plus you cannot disable the old one until returning the surface back to where it started without crashing the game. So there may be other objects that suffer bugs from becoming separated like that ? I know the collision information of a platform won't travel either.

Honestly I'm not really sure what you are talking about , with some references cannot be moved ?

Is the crank wheel your talking about just a static , or is it an Activator / moveable static ?

But I have had a creature turret , freak out on it's physics when trying to rotate it , was throwing in movements on it's facing up/down angle instead of only rotating on the Y axis. So I ended up having to use the zaxeye creature , and set it immobile. Which I thought was weird the angle of it's weapon would rotate , but then not it's 3D render.

I haven't messed with moving on two axis at once yet ... but will be attempting it for a player jetpack feature in a mod I'm working on to simulate an rts game element (the isometric view). Somebody has already done it though , which I thought we were discussing it on somebodies mod request thread awhile back ???

[EPDGaffney]

Slide as in move something across the X or Y axis ? Ya sure with "SetPos to GetPos + 1" running with a timer.

That's kind of what I thought we had to do for rotation as well, and what my initial script looked like (but with SetAngle instead of SetPos). What I'm saying is instead of 1) going to the trouble of doing this, and 2) trying to use this function on references that just won't let you, is there a function like Rotate but for locational transform modification instead of angle transform modification?

 

And I still need to know what causes this error.

[Mktavish]

There is something funky with SetAngle err GetAngle , I'm not sure. Uhmattbravo was messing with it on his creature car mod , and reported wasn't doing what he wanted. But as far as I know ... SetPos and GetPos work just fine. To move an object reference along an axis. Isn't that what you mean by locational transform modification ? You just add or take away from it's positional data.

 

The scripting doesn't really need to be as complicated as I made it , but it has other things going on with it than just moving an object.

[EPDGaffney]

I haven't run into this problem with a script yet, but here and there, if I use SetPos in the console, it will give me a message that the reference 'cannot be moved'. When my SetAngle script wasn't working, I tried via console and got that exact message. Again, what's very odd is that spawning another object with the same base ID will spawn one that I can move and turn using SetPos and SetAngle. So it's not the NIF or what its Type is in the GECK. In my experience so far, this has happened only with objects of the Static form type.

[dubiousintent]

... what's very odd is that spawning another object with the same base ID will spawn one that I can move and turn using SetPos and SetAngle. So it's not the NIF or what its Type is in the GECK. In my experience so far, this has happened only with objects of the Static form type.

Did you compare flags between the "unmovable" object and the newly spawned one? "Obstacle", "Visible When Distant", or "Has Tree LOD" for instance?

 

-Dubious-

[EPDGaffney]

Good call but most of them are greyed out to begin with. It's a persistent reference that is initially disabled but in recent memory, I tried it on an object that started out enabled, and if it was a persistent reference, that was a mistake.

 

But I think I've just realised the problem: it's scaled. This engine gets a bit weird about that. Have to test and google.