MagnetDrake Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I imagine i might get a few "haters" but i really like playing Skyrim but i don't like having to pray to other gods in it. The obvious response to this is then don't pray at their alters but, i think it would be much better if there was a mod for a cross or crucifix alter in the game. It would be nice to have a quest to get the armor and sword that is talked about in Ephesians 6:10-18. That would be awesome. If i learn how to mod ill do it myself but i don't have lots of time to mod or the talent for it. Thank you for even reading this. Sincerely, MagnetDrake TDA P.S. I am smart enough to realize the armor and sword in Ephesians is metaphorical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locoz666 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I imagine i might get a few "haters" but i really like playing Skyrim but i don't like having to pray to other gods in it. The obvious response to this is then don't pray at their alters but, i think it would be much better if there was a mod for a cross or crucifix alter in the game. It would be nice to have a quest to get the armor and sword that is talked about in Ephesians 6:10-18. That would be awesome. If i learn how to mod ill do it myself but i don't have lots of time to mod or the talent for it. Thank you for even reading this. Sincerely, MagnetDrake TDA P.S. I am smart enough to realize the armor and sword in Ephesians is metaphorical.dont be afriad to ask for this. it's a request form. and i personally dont think its a bad idea. unlike some of the request on here. i mean you got some ppl asking for a nipple mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThoseTolerableNoobs Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I wouldn't be afraid of asking for this in the forums! Atheists and other religions only have a problem with religious people when it is forced upon them, and you are not doing that, so speak freely! Personally, I would much rather respond to this mod that some of the requests for perverted mods... I would like to ask why you have an objection to the Gods in these games, however. They are purely fictional, and integral to Elder Scrolls lore. I appreciate you may sight the first commandment when responding, but you are not actually worshiping these Gods, simply either controlling a character that does, or role-playing it. Either way, I am sure that God would be able to distinguish between game and reality. However, if this truly contrasts with your morals then I accept that 100%. I also googled the passage (I'd never seen it before), and if you wanted, I could write you a short quest to implicate finding it. If that would make you feel better playing Skyrim, I'd happily help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rennn Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) Generally, the accepted idea among Christian theologians is that, since a deity like God would function above a physical plane, mental actions are as important as physical ones. I don't hold with it myself, but from a Christian point of view it would make sense to avoid 'thought-crime', even in games. I imagine they feel much the same way about Skyrim as I would if I was forced to worship God in a game. Now, I'm going back to listening to Hellektro and Aggrotech... :P Edited April 27, 2012 by Rennn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConsolePeasant Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 If it's what you want then it's what you want so I won't claim that you're wrong for wanting it, however this as a mod choice does surprise me. Firstly the nature of the game isn't exactly puritan, but I suppose you can roleplay and avoid quests in such a way as to be 'righteously violent'. Secondly I would have thought that the gods come with the setting, this isn't meant to be historical of Earth or even our plane of existance. The game is fictional so I don't see why having fictional deities would be an issue, I honestly think this does not conflict with the 1st commandment as you yourself walk away from the game without any belief that Talos, Akatosh, etc exist. But as I said if you feel this mod would enhance your gameplay experience good luck to you in getting it made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesite Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Actually a mod like this wouldn't be that hard to do... Just have the Akatosh shrines renamed to "The Lord" or whatever and have the other 8 shrines renamed to those of the saints or other important christian figures. Then have the Daedric princes renamed to those of demons or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetradite Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I'm not a Christian, and have no problem wit this request. Actually it really interests me. Just want to suggest something. I think the Christian church is kind of already represented in Skyrim, albeit obliquely. Mara is the personification (or deification?) of the Christian ethos in that she is the goddess of love and compassion, the traits most Christians probably associate most with Jesus (as opposed to God, even though they're the same, but not y'know...). Mara in her in-game statue is remarkably visibly similar to traditional depictions of Mary (helpful if you're a Catholic, potentially unhelpful if you're not). The marriage service in the Temple of Mara looks distinctly Christian. The Shrine of Mara is massively similar to a celtic cross. if I were a Christian I'd just be worshipping Mara, but if that isn't close enough for you then the easiest and quickest fix (following on from what Nemesite suggested) with least impact on the vanilla would be just renaming the shrines/temple/amulets etc of Mara to "The Lord's ..." and rename the statues of Mara to "... of Mary". I don't think you'd even need to retexture the shrines unless you're really picky - take it as a nordic representation of the cross - there were of course so many localisations like this as Christianity spread in the real world. And, as Christianity spread it often did so by associating itself with an existing local belief structure - if Christianity ever did "arrive" in Tamriel it would gain a foothold through replacing/absorbing the worship of Mara. You could then leave all the other Gods as they stand, your God would be there, would have the right 'ethos' and is the God who blesses marriages, but all the other shrines and belief system would still be fully in place so the game lore/NPC speech would still make sense. Again, even any NPC speech references to "Mara" can just be viewed as a local dialect version of Mary. I believe this would be the easiest way to do it, AND I think it's the most believeable way of doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetradite Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I believe this would be the easiest way to do it, AND I think it's the most believeable way of doing it. ...that doesn't mean I'm necessarilly offering to do it though mind you. But I might, if you're interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraelin Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) First of all, I don't see why anyone would have a problem with it. Polytheistic religions like that in the game tended to be inclusive. I don't think the Romans, on which the Imperials are based, would mind much who you worship, unless you start telling them that their own gods are false, or worse yet, demons. (Which is really how the early Christians got to star in those Christians vs Lions championships ;) Denying the gods of the state was a capital offence.) That said, the armour and sword in Ephesians are clearly metaphorical, and at any rate there is no clear description of what they'd look like. A gladius, maybe? I'm no good at armour, but swords I can do, if you have a clear description. Or maybe one of my arming swords with a cruciform hilt would help? I mean, they worked well enough to be even personal field crucifix for the knights fancying themselves "miles christi" (soldiers of Christ.) For the armour, actually, maybe the templar armour right here on the nexus and/or my crusader shields could help, if you want to sport a big ol' cross on your armour o' faith? I mean, it was good enough for the Catholics during the crusades, and some of those orders got their symbol by decree of the Pope himself. E.g., the black cross of the Knights Hospitaler. Altars... hmm, well, I don't really know what makes them work at the moment. I suppose the spell name could be edited to say it gave you some saint's blessing or such, if it helps? And I suck at modelling something as complex of a crucifix (if I could model a guy on a cross, I could model a guy without the cross, and release my own body mod :P ), but I could make you a wooden cross or something, if it helps? Edited May 1, 2012 by Moraelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraelin Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) I wouldn't be afraid of asking for this in the forums! Atheists and other religions only have a problem with religious people when it is forced upon them, and you are not doing that, so speak freely! Personally, I would much rather respond to this mod that some of the requests for perverted mods... Yep, I'm an atheist myself, and I seriously don't see why anyone would have a problem with someone modding their own single-player game to reflect whatever they wish, Christianity included. Plus, I don't believe in Akatosh, Mara, Arkay, Dibella, and the rest of the Bethesda gods either, so why not one more god? :P Edited May 1, 2012 by Moraelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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