A question with (hopefully) a simple answer about making a patch

[lethielnyrond]

Hi. I have More Growable Plants SE installed, and I tried to install the Beyond Skyrim - Bruma patch for it, and everything went haywire. It turns out that the FormID lists of these two mods and the BS DLC Patch don't match, and in fact conflict in a game-breaking way. Also the MGP Bruma patch has Elves Ear in twice and various other problems. At least one commenter said "I'm deleting this patch and making my own." And then everything went quiet.

 

I want that patch. I've read up about making a plugin patch in SSEEdit (my CK isn't working because a DLL file is missing, and Bethesda Launcher won't launch for some reason) and it seems to me that what needs to happen is for the FormIDs from the BS DLC patch to be copied into a new esp, and then the FormIDs in the new esp to be renumbered so that they don't clash with the ones in MGP proper, which seems to be what's causing the problem. This is something that SSEEdit can apparently do.

 

Here's my question:

 

Is that feasible? Will it work?

 

Feel free to just say "no" if it won't. If it will, then some guidance as to how I can find what number to start the renumbering from would be very helpful indeed.

 

I do realise that renumbered FormIDs won't be compatible with my current playthrough and, if I do this and it works, I'll have to start again, but I've only done that twice in the last two days, so I'm not that concerned about doing it again. :smile:

 

Any response would be very gratefully received.

 

Lethiel

[lethielnyrond]

Nobody even has time for a yes, a no, or a "p*ss off noob we're busy"?

[DMan1629]

Yes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, relax - the Skyrim forums aren't that much active for every new post to get a response in less than 24 hours...

 

And as for your own problem: do you even know what Google is?...

It took me less than 10 seconds to find what you need.

You can do it yourself in a matter of minutes - an hour maybe if you're not that good.

Here are the guides:

Guide #3

Guide #4

 

 

Edited April 30, 2018 by DMan1629

[lethielnyrond]

Well, thank you for responding. Seriously.

 

However, yes, I do know what Google is, which is why I use DuckDuckGo, I've spent rather more than ten seconds trying various keyword combinations, and I've seen all those. Did you notice the part where they don't actually answer my question, which was about renumbering FormIDs? So, not so much what I need. Which is why I came here. :)

 

As for my bumpage, yes, I know, but I waited till about seven or eight posts had appeared above mine in this topic alone and been answered by someone. I thought that was reasonable.

 

Thank you again for your help.

 

Lethiel

[DMan1629]

Different esp files can never have the same IDs. If you still wish to find the next free ID - just go to any record, right-click, Copy as new record, add a 0 or change the name and put it in your desired esp.

That will create a new variant of what you just copied on an ID that free and is next in line - i.e. where the renumbering should start from.

[Alerios]

:take a hoarse voice:

 

P*ss off noob we're busy.

 

:laugh:

Edited April 30, 2018 by Alerios

[lethielnyrond]

Different esp files can never have the same IDs. If you still wish to find the next free ID - just go to any record, right-click, Copy as new record, add a 0 or change the name and put it in your desired esp.

That will create a new variant of what you just copied on an ID that free and is next in line - i.e. where the renumbering should start from.

 

THANK YOU!!! That does answer my question!

 

On that basis I shall have a go. Since I'm making a new esp, the worst that can happen is I have to delete it again, right?

 

Lethiel

[lethielnyrond]

Well, it doesn't look as though it's working. Doing that creates a new FormID list in the new esp, with its own different FormID. Changing that FormID and EditorID back to what it should be simply creates the same problem that the original patch had, with the MGP items and the Bruma items conflicting. So I tried what I should have thought of doing in the first place, first copying as override the list from More Growable Plants itself into the new esp, and then copying the list from Bruma as a new record...but then I can't get the MGP and Bruma FormID lists together, because it won't let me merge them or change the ID to the same in both cases.

 

I'm pretty sure what I need to end up with is two FormID lists in the new esp, Plantable Items and Flora, with the same FormIDs and EditorIDs as the ones in Hearthfires, containing all the plants and plantables from Hearthfires, MGP and Bruma, each on its own line and none conflicting. And I can't see how to make that happen.

 

Lethiel

[DMan1629]

Well, it doesn't look as though it's working. Doing that creates a new FormID list in the new esp, with its own different FormID. Changing that FormID and EditorID back to what it should be simply creates the same problem that the original patch had, with the MGP items and the Bruma items conflicting. So I tried what I should have thought of doing in the first place, first copying as override the list from More Growable Plants itself into the new esp, and then copying the list from Bruma as a new record...but then I can't get the MGP and Bruma FormID lists together, because it won't let me merge them or change the ID to the same in both cases.

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I'm pretty sure what I need to end up with is two FormID lists in the new esp, Plantable Items and Flora, with the same FormIDs and EditorIDs as the ones in Hearthfires, containing all the plants and plantables from Hearthfires, MGP and Bruma, each on its own line and none conflicting. And I can't see how to make that happen.

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Lethiel

I'm actually starting to think you're problem can be solved with a simple drag and drop:

Create an override of one of them - doesn't matter which one!

Then go to the new one you "created" and then just start dragging the missing "items" to the top of the list so it adds them to your "new" formID.

[lethielnyrond]

Okay, I'll try that. It didn't work when I tried it before, but maybe I was doing it wrong. Thanks again!

 

EDIT: Ah, no. The list I created contains the Hearthfires plants (grey), the MGP plants (overriding the Bruma plants, in orange) and two Bruma plants at the bottom that didn't get overridden (in green) and I can't find a way to add lines to it, which means I can't move the Bruma plants to new lines and stop them being overridden. Which presumably means the same problems will happen with this patch as happened with the one on Nexus. Back to the old drawing board...

 

EDIT: wait a minute. My bad. You said "to the top of the list." I didn't try that. I'll try it now.

 

It seems to have worked. The lists look the way I think they should. I'll see if it actually works a bit later on. Thank you yet again! (But what a strange and counter-intuitive way to add items to the bottom of a list...)

 

Lethiel