CTD When Loading Save - Detailed

[Viridian598]

Alright, so, I've been trying to fix this for 4 days in a row. Maybe even 5. I haven't tried a whole lot outside of starting from scratch a few times and removing a few mods, because frankly, I can't seem to get my Papyrus logs to work and I have no clue how to deal with this. Usually, when I modded Oldrim, the crashes were easily identifiable, found the culprit easy. This time, I've got no clue. I suspect it's RaceMenu because of the intricate process I had to partake in to port it over to SE, combined with the fact the SKSE plugins used to support RaceMenu are in alpha development, but I want to see what you guys think before I start taking action. I've been spending so much time on this that I would just like it fixed. It's so annoying.

 

To reiterate, the problem is I will get to a certain point in my game, somewhere past the introduction where you visit Riverwood and then are sent to Whiterun to talk to the Jarl, and if I happen to die around that point, or exit the game then try to load a save, my game will load for a few moments, act like it's about to let me play, then crash. I've tried loading into a new game and proceeding to load that save as well, doesn't work.

 

When I'm just starting the game, I can load a new save as much as I want and it won't crash, which leads me to believe it's a mod of mine that takes some time to set up before it starts 'working', or in this case, screwing up my game. But that doesn't sound like a RaceMenu problem, does it? So..

 

Here are my specs:

 

GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960

CPU: AMD FX-8350 8 Core Processor

Memory: 8 GBs

My drivers are currently fully updated, by use of Nvidia Geforce Experience.

 

As of a few moments ago I deleted my Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPrefs.ini to generate new ones as previously, I had been using BethINI. I was testing to see if it was the problem. It was not. Still crashed

I use Mod Organizer 2, version 2.1.3 currently. Through MO2 I've used SSEDIT to clean the base files (Update.esm, Dawnguard.esm x2, etc) and create and use a Merged Patch. I've used Wrye Bash as well, afterwards, to create a Bashed Patch. I also use LOOT to manage my load order, which is how I am about to copy & paste my load order.

Here is my mod load order.

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

7 7 Campfire.esm

8 8 UnlimitedBookshelves.esp

9 9 Cutting Room Floor.esp

10 a SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

11 b SkyUI_SE.esp

12 c FNIS.esp

13 d IcePenguinWorldMap.esp

14 e Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

15 f EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

16 10 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

17 11 Book Covers Skyrim.esp

18 12 iNeed.esp

19 13 iNeed - Extended.esp

20 14 JKs Skyrim.esp

21 15 Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp

22 16 OBIS SE.esp

23 17 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

24 18 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

25 19 Point The Way.esp

26 1a FloraRespawnFix.esp

27 1b Immersive Music.esp

28 1c Ars Metallica.esp

29 1d Immersive Weapons.esp

30 1e Unique Uniques.esp

31 1f Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp

32 20 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Medium Script Range.esp

33 21 KS Hairdo's.esp

34 22 AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp

35 23 Simple AUA.esp

36 24 Frostfall.esp

37 25 TrueStormsSE.esp

38 26 Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp

39 27 Footprints.esp

40 28 WetandCold.esp

41 29 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

BetterQuestObjectives.esp

42 2a JKs Skyrim_Cutting Room Floor_Patch.esp

43 2b The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

44 2c Gildergreen Regrown.esp

45 2d Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp

46 2e TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

47 2f Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

48 30 RaceMenu.esp

49 31 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

50 32 XPMSE.esp

51 33 Bijin_AIO 2018.esp

52 34 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

53 35 HarvestOverhaul_Redone.esp

54 36 HarvestOverhaul_Redone_Creatures.esp

55 37 iHUD.esp

56 38 imp_helm_legend.esp

57 39 No NPC Greetings.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp

Paralyze.esp

BetterQuestObjectives - BCS Patch.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp

58 3a HOR_OrdinatorPatch.esp

ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp

USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp

Wildcat-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp

HOR-Flora Respawn Fix Patch.esp

59 3b MergedPatch.esp

60 3c Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp

61 3d Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

62 3e ELFXEnhancer.esp

63 3f CFTO.esp

64 40 Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp

65 41 CFTO-JK-Patch.esp

66 42 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

67 43 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

68 44 TheChoiceIsYours.esp

69 45 Convenient Horses.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

70 46 RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp

TCIY_BCS Patch.esp

71 47 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - iNeed.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp

72 48 JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp

73 49 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Let me know if there is anything I can do to provide more information or make things clearer. Any help is appreciated and thank you in advance.

 

[Jannifer]

The only thing that I see is that XPMSE needs to be near the top of your load order. I'd put it in between FNIS and SkyUI. However, I don't think that's necessarily the cause of your bug. Failure to load is usually associated with a borked save, and your port of RaceMenu could indeed be the problem. SKSE and SKSE64 are two very different things. I do not understand everything that goes into them, as I am not a scripter, but I do know that the SKSE64 team basically had to start from scratch to create the SSE script extender.

 

Disable RaceMenu first, start a new game and see if you can get past Riverwood. If that fails, then you're going to have to disable your mods in small blocks (3-5 mods at a time) until you run down which mod it might be. It's a painstaking process, but one that anyone who uses mods is familiar with. Good luck!

[QuagaarWarrior]

Good chance itâs RaceMenu but you can easily test that by starting a play through without it.

How come your merged patch is so high in your load order. Pretty sure it should be just above your bashed patch.

General load order should be ESMs, ESPs, merged patch, bashed patch, skyproc patches, dyndolod. Not that you use all of those but you get the idea

[Viridian598]

The only thing that I see is that XPMSE needs to be near the top of your load order. I'd put it in between FNIS and SkyUI. However, I don't think that's necessarily the cause of your bug. Failure to load is usually associated with a borked save, and your port of RaceMenu could indeed be the problem. SKSE and SKSE64 are two very different things. I do not understand everything that goes into them, as I am not a scripter, but I do know that the SKSE64 team basically had to start from scratch to create the SSE script extender.

 

Disable RaceMenu first, start a new game and see if you can get past Riverwood. If that fails, then you're going to have to disable your mods in small blocks (3-5 mods at a time) until you run down which mod it might be. It's a painstaking process, but one that anyone who uses mods is familiar with. Good luck!

Thank you, I will try that. I am hoping and praying that it's just RaceMenu, and I'll move XPMSE around as well. As for the possibility of a messed up save, I've tried it at least 4 times with fresh saves. Sadly, all ended up doing the same thing.

(edit: just occurred to me that the XPMSE thing won't***be an issue since it requires RaceMenu lol woops)

Good chance itâs RaceMenu but you can easily test that by starting a play through without it.

How come your merged patch is so high in your load order. Pretty sure it should be just above your bashed patch.

General load order should be ESMs, ESPs, merged patch, bashed patch, skyproc patches, dyndolod. Not that you use all of those but you get the idea

I usually just let LOOT sort it (despite the many warnings that LOOT can't solve everything!!! :tongue:) but I will make a metadata rule to ensure it's right above the Bashed Patch from now on - it could be an issue as well. Thanks, you two, for the swift responses. I'll come back and let you guys know how things go.

Edited May 11, 2018 by Viridian598

[Deleted3897072User]

If you read the XPMSSE comments for the past few weeks, you will realise that skee64.dll is problematic. If you have that present in your Data\SKSE\Plugins folder, delete it. Some sliders in RaceMenu may stop working but at least you will be able to load your saves without crashing.

[Viridian598]

If you read the XPMSSE comments for the past few weeks, you will realise that skee64.dll is problematic. If you have that present in your Data\SKSE\Plugins folder, delete it. Some sliders in RaceMenu may stop working but at least you will be able to load your saves without crashing.

Unfortunately I never thought to look there, damn. Well -

 

As it stands now, I deleted RaceMenu stuff entirely, including the Preset folder I had set up for .jslot files. I started a brand new save with a khajit male appropriately named a series of random letters and went through the usual introduction I did through use of Alternate Life thing - camping in woods > investigate Helgen > go to cave > rescue Hadvar > go to Riverwood > go to Whiterun and talk to Balgruuf > Talk to Farengar. I saved a few times along the way, loaded right after and it worked just fine. I finally got to the furthest point I'd ever gotten to even in the past attempts, being assigned the Bleak Falls Barrow quest, walked away, saved there and loaded my save. It worked, much to my hopefully-not-too-quickly-placed joy, without crashing.

 

I also closed the game and loaded from the main menu just to be sure. Worked. I am hoping that this is truly fixed, but I will report back if it happens again.

 

For now, anyone who is having issues with load CTDs and uses RaceMenu, there is a chance that doing as OldMansBeard said and removing skee64.dll from your Data\SKSE\Plugins folder may help. There is also a chance that removing the RaceMenu you ported over entirely will help.

 

I did see quite a few other posts involving crashing on loading saves on the forum, so that is why I'm just trying to let anyone know what might have worked for me.

 

Thanks all, nonetheless.