Dezonus Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Hey guys, hoping somebody can help.I've got a character that I've been playing for a while, all of a sudden I'm unable to load the latest saves. Game has a relatively small amount of mods, on SKSE. No mods have been added or removed since i last playedError log is included [07/07/2018 - 09:59:06PM] Papyrus log opened (PC)[07/07/2018 - 09:59:06PM] error: Native function GetEquippedArmorInSlot in empty state could find no matching function on linked type Actor. Function will not be bound.[07/07/2018 - 09:59:06PM] Update budget: 1.200000ms (Extra tasklet budget: 1.200000ms, Load screen budget: 500.000000ms)[07/07/2018 - 09:59:06PM] Memory page: 128 (min) 512 (max) 153600 (max total)[07/07/2018 - 09:59:08PM] Cannot open store for class "DLC1TestPhilAtronach", missing file?[07/07/2018 - 09:59:08PM] Cannot open store for class "NPCO_MyConfigMenu", missing file?[07/07/2018 - 09:59:08PM] Error: Unable to bind script NPCO_MyConfigMenu to NPCO_MyConfigMenu (119C39F2) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:09PM] Error: Unable to bind script traptriggerbase to TweakTraps (1700C515) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:09PM] Error: Unable to bind script TrapBear to TweakTraps (1700C515) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:09PM] Cannot open store for class "SF_TweakP1Hangout_02017201", missing file?[07/07/2018 - 09:59:09PM] Error: Unable to bind script SF_TweakP1Hangout_02017201 to (17017201) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:09PM] Cannot open store for class "SF_TweakP1Pose_02017788", missing file?[07/07/2018 - 09:59:09PM] Error: Unable to bind script SF_TweakP1Pose_02017788 to (17017788) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:09PM] Cannot open store for class "CustomINISettingsControllerScript", missing file?[07/07/2018 - 09:59:09PM] Cannot open store for class "INISettingsCtrlPlayerAliasScript", missing file?[07/07/2018 - 09:59:19PM] Error: Unable to bind script INISettingsCtrlPlayerAliasScript to alias Player on quest CustomINISettingsControllerQuest (1D3CC095) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:19PM] Error: Property kScript on script CYR_QF_CYRDialogueBrumaArmion_0306505D attached to CYRDialogueBrumaArmionHarassNeremusIntroScene (0706505D) cannot be bound because CYRDialogueBrumaCathedralMassScene (0706507B) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:19PM] warning: Property InteriorIMODList on script INISettingsCtrlQuestScript attached to CustomINISettingsControllerQuest (1D3CC095) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property[07/07/2018 - 09:59:19PM] warning: Property ExteriorIMODList on script INISettingsCtrlQuestScript attached to CustomINISettingsControllerQuest (1D3CC095) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property[07/07/2018 - 09:59:19PM] Error: Property CYRFortPalePassMS01LegateLetterOfPermission on script CYR_QF_CYRFortPalePassMS01New_020CE0F1 attached to CYRFortPalePassMS01New (070CE0F1) cannot be bound because <nullptr form> (0708ACC2) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:19PM] Error: Property toSkyrimMapMarker on script CYR_QF_CYRSkyrimBorderGateTop_020D3F2C attached to CYRSkyrimBorderGateTopLevelQuest (070D3F2C) cannot be bound because <nullptr form> (070D79CE) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:19PM] Error: Property Initiate2Alias on script uskpretroactive204script attached to USKPRetroactive204 (05012C3A) cannot be bound because alias Initiate2Alias on quest DarkBrotherhood (0001EA5C) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:19PM] Error: Property CiceroAlias on script uskpretroactive204script attached to USKPRetroactive204 (05012C3A) cannot be bound because alias CiceroEndGameAlias on quest DarkBrotherhood (0001EA5C) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:19PM] Error: Property Initiate1Alias on script uskpretroactive204script attached to USKPRetroactive204 (05012C3A) cannot be bound because alias Initiate1Alias on quest DarkBrotherhood (0001EA5C) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:22PM] VM is freezing...[07/07/2018 - 09:59:22PM] VM is frozen[07/07/2018 - 09:59:22PM] Reverting game...[07/07/2018 - 09:59:22PM] Error: Unable to bind script NPCO_MyConfigMenu to NPCO_MyConfigMenu (119C39F2) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:22PM] Error: Unable to bind script SF_TweakP1Pose_02017788 to (17017788) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:22PM] Error: Unable to bind script SF_TweakP1Hangout_02017201 to (17017201) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:22PM] Error: Unable to bind script traptriggerbase to TweakTraps (1700C515) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:22PM] Error: Unable to bind script TrapBear to TweakTraps (1700C515) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:38PM] Loading game...[07/07/2018 - 09:59:38PM] Error: Unable to bind script INISettingsCtrlPlayerAliasScript to alias Player on quest CustomINISettingsControllerQuest (1D3CC095) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:38PM] Error: Property kScript on script CYR_QF_CYRDialogueBrumaArmion_0306505D attached to CYRDialogueBrumaArmionHarassNeremusIntroScene (0706505D) cannot be bound because CYRDialogueBrumaCathedralMassScene (0706507B) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:38PM] warning: Property InteriorIMODList on script INISettingsCtrlQuestScript attached to CustomINISettingsControllerQuest (1D3CC095) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property[07/07/2018 - 09:59:38PM] warning: Property ExteriorIMODList on script INISettingsCtrlQuestScript attached to CustomINISettingsControllerQuest (1D3CC095) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property[07/07/2018 - 09:59:38PM] Error: Property CYRFortPalePassMS01LegateLetterOfPermission on script CYR_QF_CYRFortPalePassMS01New_020CE0F1 attached to CYRFortPalePassMS01New (070CE0F1) cannot be bound because <nullptr form> (0708ACC2) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:38PM] Error: Property toSkyrimMapMarker on script CYR_QF_CYRSkyrimBorderGateTop_020D3F2C attached to CYRSkyrimBorderGateTopLevelQuest (070D3F2C) cannot be bound because <nullptr form> (070D79CE) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:38PM] Error: Property Initiate2Alias on script uskpretroactive204script attached to USKPRetroactive204 (05012C3A) cannot be bound because alias Initiate2Alias on quest DarkBrotherhood (0001EA5C) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:38PM] Error: Property CiceroAlias on script uskpretroactive204script attached to USKPRetroactive204 (05012C3A) cannot be bound because alias CiceroEndGameAlias on quest DarkBrotherhood (0001EA5C) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:38PM] Error: Property Initiate1Alias on script uskpretroactive204script attached to USKPRetroactive204 (05012C3A) cannot be bound because alias Initiate1Alias on quest DarkBrotherhood (0001EA5C) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] VM is thawing...[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] [immersive Citizens]======================================================================================================[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] [immersive Citizens] Immersive Citizens is now performing compatibility checks. Papyrus warnings about missing or [07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] [immersive Citizens] unloaded files may follow. This is NORMAL and can be ignored. [07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] [immersive Citizens]======================================================================================================[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] Error: File "ClimatesOfTamriel.esm" does not exist or is not currently loaded.stack:<unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?[alias Player on quest NPCO_Update (11F10B52)].npco_update.IsPluginLoaded() - "NPCO_Update.psc" Line 155[alias Player on quest NPCO_Update (11F10B52)].npco_update.Compatibility() - "NPCO_Update.psc" Line 140[alias Player on quest NPCO_Update (11F10B52)].npco_update.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "NPCO_Update.psc" Line 102[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] [immersive Citizens]======================================================================================================[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] [immersive Citizens] Immersive Citizens compatibility check complete. [07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] [immersive Citizens]======================================================================================================[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] Error: File "Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.stack:<unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?[uSLEEPVersionTracking (0500F458)].USLEEP_VersionTrackingScript.ProcessRetroScripts() - "USLEEP_VersionTrackingScript.psc" Line 30[alias Player on quest USLEEPVersionTracking (0500F458)].USLEEP_VersionTrackingAliasScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "USLEEP_VersionTrackingAliasScript.psc" Line 6[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] Error: File "Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.stack:<unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?[uSLEEPVersionTracking (0500F458)].USLEEP_VersionTrackingScript.ProcessRetroScripts() - "USLEEP_VersionTrackingScript.psc" Line 34[alias Player on quest USLEEPVersionTracking (0500F458)].USLEEP_VersionTrackingAliasScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "USLEEP_VersionTrackingAliasScript.psc" Line 6[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] Error: File "Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.stack:<unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?[uSLEEPVersionTracking (0500F458)].USLEEP_VersionTrackingScript.ProcessRetroScripts() - "USLEEP_VersionTrackingScript.psc" Line 38[alias Player on quest USLEEPVersionTracking (0500F458)].USLEEP_VersionTrackingAliasScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "USLEEP_VersionTrackingAliasScript.psc" Line 6[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] Error: File "Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.stack:<unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?[uSLEEPVersionTracking (0500F458)].USLEEP_VersionTrackingScript.ProcessRetroScripts() - "USLEEP_VersionTrackingScript.psc" Line 42[alias Player on quest USLEEPVersionTracking (0500F458)].USLEEP_VersionTrackingAliasScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "USLEEP_VersionTrackingAliasScript.psc" Line 6[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] Error: File "Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.stack:<unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?[uSLEEPVersionTracking (0500F458)].USLEEP_VersionTrackingScript.ProcessRetroScripts() - "USLEEP_VersionTrackingScript.psc" Line 46[alias Player on quest USLEEPVersionTracking (0500F458)].USLEEP_VersionTrackingAliasScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "USLEEP_VersionTrackingAliasScript.psc" Line 6[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] Error: INI setting "iMaxDesired:Particles" is not a floatstack:<unknown self>.utility.SetINIFloat() - "<native>" Line ?[VividWeatherConfig (1D07EEDB)].vividweatherdata.VWini() - "VividWeatherData.psc" Line 77[alias Player on quest VividWeatherConfig (1D07EEDB)].VividWeatherPlayerAliasScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "VividWeatherPlayerAliasScript.psc" Line 43[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] Error: File "Open Cities Skyrim.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.stack:<unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?[ARTHLALWhiterunGuardConfrontationQuest (0A29847F)].arth_qf_lalwhiterunguard_0529847f.SetGateAlias() - "ARTH_QF_LALWhiterunGuard_0529847F.psc" Line 47[ARTHLALVersionTracking (0A049F33)].arth_lal_versiontrackingscript.DLCSupportCheck() - "ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingScript.psc" Line 51[alias Player on quest ARTHLALVersionTracking (0A049F33)].ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingAliasScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingAliasScript.psc" Line 6[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] InitWidgetLoader()[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] Cannot open store for class "frostutil", missing file?[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] Error: Unable to obtain function call information - returning Nonestack:[alias Player on quest VividWeatherConfig (1D07EEDB)].VividWeathersFrostfallCompatibility.OnUpdate() - "VividWeathersFrostfallCompatibility.psc" Line 18[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp0"stack:[alias Player on quest VividWeatherConfig (1D07EEDB)].VividWeathersFrostfallCompatibility.OnUpdate() - "VividWeathersFrostfallCompatibility.psc" Line 18[07/07/2018 - 09:59:40PM] [Vivid Weathers] : Frostfall Not installed. Errors above are harmless.[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] VM is freezing...[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] VM is frozen[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] Reverting game...[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] Error: Unable to bind script NPCO_MyConfigMenu to NPCO_MyConfigMenu (119C39F2) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] Error: Unable to bind script SF_TweakP1Pose_02017788 to (17017788) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] Error: Unable to bind script SF_TweakP1Hangout_02017201 to (17017201) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] Error: Unable to bind script traptriggerbase to TweakTraps (1700C515) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] Error: Unable to bind script TrapBear to TweakTraps (1700C515) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] Error: Unable to bind script traptriggerbase to TweakTraps (1700C515) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] Error: Unable to bind script TrapBear to TweakTraps (1700C515) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] Error: Unable to bind script INISettingsCtrlPlayerAliasScript to alias Player on quest CustomINISettingsControllerQuest (1D3CC095) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] Error: Property kScript on script CYR_QF_CYRDialogueBrumaArmion_0306505D attached to CYRDialogueBrumaArmionHarassNeremusIntroScene (0706505D) cannot be bound because CYRDialogueBrumaCathedralMassScene (0706507B) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] warning: Property InteriorIMODList on script INISettingsCtrlQuestScript attached to CustomINISettingsControllerQuest (1D3CC095) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] warning: Property ExteriorIMODList on script INISettingsCtrlQuestScript attached to CustomINISettingsControllerQuest (1D3CC095) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property[07/07/2018 - 09:59:52PM] Error: Property CYRFortPalePassMS01LegateLetterOfPermission on script CYR_QF_CYRFortPalePassMS01New_020CE0F1 attached to CYRFortPalePassMS01New (070CE0F1) cannot be bound because <nullptr form> (0708ACC2) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:53PM] Error: Property toSkyrimMapMarker on script CYR_QF_CYRSkyrimBorderGateTop_020D3F2C attached to CYRSkyrimBorderGateTopLevelQuest (070D3F2C) cannot be bound because <nullptr form> (070D79CE) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:53PM] Error: Property Initiate2Alias on script uskpretroactive204script attached to USKPRetroactive204 (05012C3A) cannot be bound because alias Initiate2Alias on quest DarkBrotherhood (0001EA5C) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:53PM] Error: Property CiceroAlias on script uskpretroactive204script attached to USKPRetroactive204 (05012C3A) cannot be bound because alias CiceroEndGameAlias on quest DarkBrotherhood (0001EA5C) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 09:59:53PM] Error: Property Initiate1Alias on script uskpretroactive204script attached to USKPRetroactive204 (05012C3A) cannot be bound because alias Initiate1Alias on quest DarkBrotherhood (0001EA5C) is not the right type[07/07/2018 - 10:00:09PM] Reverting game...[07/07/2018 - 10:00:09PM] Error: Unable to bind script NPCO_MyConfigMenu to NPCO_MyConfigMenu (119C39F2) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 10:00:09PM] Error: Unable to bind script SF_TweakP1Pose_02017788 to (17017788) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 10:00:09PM] Error: Unable to bind script SF_TweakP1Hangout_02017201 to (17017201) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 10:00:09PM] Error: Unable to bind script traptriggerbase to TweakTraps (1700C515) because their base types do not match[07/07/2018 - 10:00:09PM] Error: Unable to bind script TrapBear to TweakTraps (1700C515) because their base types do not match If anyone is able to identify what the problem is, and what I can do to solve it, that would be absolutely amazing. I'd go back to a recent save prior, however I've made the mistake (which I'll be sure not to make again) to only have the one save... Thanks in advancePS Moderators feel free to move this if this isn't the right spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted3897072User Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) When you say that you are unable to load your save, do you mean that the game crashes? if so, the papyrus log is not going to tell you anything useful because when the game crashes, the most recent buffer-full doesn't get written out to the log file. You might get something from the SKSE log, or if you install Crash Fixes, but that will only tell you that your save is broken, which you already know. Have you tried launching with the Steam loader instead of the SKSE loader? If you can load without crashing (and with SKSE not running, of course) and can make a new save, it's just possible that you can then load that save with SKSE running again. You will lose all skse-related data though. Edited July 7, 2018 by OldMansBeard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezonus Posted July 8, 2018 Author Share Posted July 8, 2018 So, other saves work just fine, but my main save will not load. It goes through the loading screen and then insta closes (no sounds or anything). Doesn't seem like SKSE is crash logging (do I need to turn that on?), Also the save wont load from the steam launcher.Suggestions? What was the crash fixes you were talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted3897072User Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17230 You may need to turn on logging in the ini file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezonus Posted July 8, 2018 Author Share Posted July 8, 2018 Okay, turned on SKSE Crash logging skse.ini [Debug]WriteMinidumps=1 Gave me a .dmp, uploaded here: https://ufile.io/1w20i put into a decoder ( https://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=analyze ) FAULTING_IP:SkyrimSE+698a7800007ff7`5a1e8a78 488b84c1a8040000 mov rax,qword ptr [rcx+rax*8+4A8h]EXCEPTION_RECORD: ffffffffffffffff -- (.exr 0xffffffffffffffff)ExceptionAddress: 00007ff75a1e8a78 (SkyrimSE+0x0000000000698a78)ExceptionCode: c0000005 (Access violation)ExceptionFlags: 00000000NumberParameters: 2Parameter[0]: 0000000000000000Parameter[1]: 00000002100004a8Attempt to read from address 00000002100004a8DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: INVALID_POINTER_READPROCESS_NAME: SkyrimSE.exeERROR_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0xc0000005 - The instruction at "0x%08lx" referenced memory at "0x%08lx". The memory could not be "%s".EXCEPTION_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0xc0000005 - The instruction at "0x%08lx" referenced memory at "0x%08lx". The memory could not be "%s".EXCEPTION_PARAMETER1: 0000000000000000EXCEPTION_PARAMETER2: 00000002100004a8READ_ADDRESS: 00000002100004a8FOLLOWUP_IP:SkyrimSE+698a7800007ff7`5a1e8a78 488b84c1a8040000 mov rax,qword ptr [rcx+rax*8+4A8h]FAULTING_THREAD: 0000000000000c54PRIMARY_PROBLEM_CLASS: INVALID_POINTER_READBUGCHECK_STR: APPLICATION_FAULT_INVALID_POINTER_READLAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from 0000000000000000 to 00007ff75a1e8a78STACK_TEXT:000000a3`760fed90 00000000`00000000 : 00000000`00000000 000001fc`0ba096d0 000001fc`0ba096d0 000000a3`00000000 : SkyrimSE+0x698a78STACK_COMMAND: ~0s; .ecxr ; kbSYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 0SYMBOL_NAME: SkyrimSE+698a78FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwnerMODULE_NAME: SkyrimSEIMAGE_NAME: SkyrimSE.exeDEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 5aba8acbFAILURE_BUCKET_ID: INVALID_POINTER_READ_c0000005_SkyrimSE.exe!UnknownBUCKET_ID: X64_APPLICATION_FAULT_INVALID_POINTER_READ_SkyrimSE+698a78WATSON_STAGEONE_URL: http://watson.microsoft.com/StageOne/SkyrimSE_exe/1_0_0_0/5aba8acb/SkyrimSE_exe/1_0_0_0/5aba8acb/c0000005/00698a78.htm?Retriage=1Followup: MachineOwner So...does that mean anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted3897072User Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 It's telling you exactly what it was doing when it crashed but in this case that isn't a lot of help. It was trying to load a particular item of data from an address in memory where that data couldn't possibly be and that's because the address that's stored in your save file for it is wrong. The save file is corrupted in that one particular place (and possibly others but it never reached them so we don't know).. But you already knew that the save file is broken and can't be loaded so we're no further forward. You could try using Fallrim Tools , there's a chance it might work, but it's a long shot in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jyotai Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I had something like this just the other day. In the end I just went back through recent saves until I found one that worked and continued forward from there. Lost about an hour of play. If you're using heavy SKSE scripts - and you play for a long enough time, you can get corrupt data in there... So I save often, and save before any major dramatic fight, and even a few times during it... and then after I usually close to desktop and load back in - to clean out whatever's loaded and lying around... Also make sure you ARE using the engine fixes for SKSE: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17230 - that won't stop all CTDs, because current SKSE is very bugged and seems to have been abandoned... but it does patch some major ones and gave a very big boost to my game's stability... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezonus Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 Well thanks for your time and effort guys, but yeah it does unfortunately seem that it's unsalvagable. I've managed to find a quicksave that I had from a few hours and a level prior which loaded, so I guess I'll just go from there Fallrim Tools, as suspected, didn't fix itAnd yeah, I am now running with the engine fixes, hopefully this should prevent this from happening in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jyotai Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 My last one of these happened AFTER putting in the engine fixes - the one where I lost an hour. But before the engine fixes I would have this happen regularly and, in certain places (like anywhere in the south-western end of the map betweem riverwood, falkreath, and helgun) - anytime I hit the save button or tried to load a saved game. So the engine fixes isn't perfect, it's just "a lot better". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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