Understone Crashing

[tinylewtgriffon]

Ok, so not too long ago, I had the same problem involving the Dark Brotherhood and the search for the gourmet. In the end I had to move a quest character outside, but I would like a permanent fix. This problem is happening again with the Thieves guild for the falmer language. It was fine before the quest, and it was fine after the gourmet part, but is anyone familiar with this problem and have a way to fix it? Why does the game crash when trying to enter Understone during these quests? I removed my most recent mods from when I last entered the "palace", but it doesn't work. Console still results in the crash too trying to tele in.

[Georgiegril]

Mods?

Where, exactly do you crash?

What are you doing just before the crash?

[tinylewtgriffon]

Mods?

Where, exactly do you crash?

What are you doing just before the crash?

 

Markarth is the crash (title lol) bUt I'll activate the doors, they'll open to load, but the second you "leave" markarth the game crashes before the loadscreen. I have like 100 mods running, but it's only during the faction main quests. I was there before for pickpocket, fine, but main quest? nope for some reason. I'm wondering if the scripts have been buggered or something

[Georgiegril]

 

 

Markarth is the crash (title lol) bUt I'll activate the doors, they'll open to load, but the second you "leave" markarth the game crashes before the loadscreen. I have like 100 mods running, but it's only during the faction main quests. I was there before for pickpocket, fine, but main quest? nope for some reason. I'm wondering if the scripts have been buggered or something

 

Actually I was afraid the answer to my "what" question was gonna be "playing Skyrim, duh!" :rolleyes:

 

Well you could have a script error, but it's probably related to a mod, and I can't really help you with that unless I can see what you've got. Screenshots work if you don't *love* to type...Sometimes the mod causing problems doesn't seem like it would be associated, so listing them all would be the most useful way.

 

If you are not comfortable posting that you have the chicken in a bikini mod ;) , then I would alternately suggest that you:

1. Run BOSS or some other ordering software and hand-place mods that BOSS doesn't recognize with similar mods

2. Verify your game cache

3. Revisit the readmes and discussion pages of all of you mods, starting either with the most likely suspects (mods having to do, even tangentially, with Markarth: general environment mods (including things like SOS), quest and NPC mods, looking for mention of similar problems and the workaround.

 

Listing all your mods may not preclude you from having to go through the second option, alas, but I might see something that jogs a thought in me or someone else....

 

Since it only happens at Markarth, it doesn't seem to me that it is likely to be a problem with your hardware or settings--I hope that offers you some consolation.

[tinylewtgriffon]

 

 

Markarth is the crash (title lol) bUt I'll activate the doors, they'll open to load, but the second you "leave" markarth the game crashes before the loadscreen. I have like 100 mods running, but it's only during the faction main quests. I was there before for pickpocket, fine, but main quest? nope for some reason. I'm wondering if the scripts have been buggered or something

 

Actually I was afraid the answer to my "what" question was gonna be "playing Skyrim, duh!" :rolleyes:

 

Well you could have a script error, but it's probably related to a mod, and I can't really help you with that unless I can see what you've got. Screenshots work if you don't *love* to type...Sometimes the mod causing problems doesn't seem like it would be associated, so listing them all would be the most useful way.

 

If you are not comfortable posting that you have the chicken in a bikini mod ;) , then I would alternately suggest that you:

1. Run BOSS or some other ordering software and hand-place mods that BOSS doesn't recognize with similar mods

2. Verify your game cache

3. Revisit the readmes and discussion pages of all of you mods, starting either with the most likely suspects (mods having to do, even tangentially, with Markarth: general environment mods (including things like SOS), quest and NPC mods, looking for mention of similar problems and the workaround.

 

Listing all your mods may not preclude you from having to go through the second option, alas, but I might see something that jogs a thought in me or someone else....

 

Since it only happens at Markarth, it doesn't seem to me that it is likely to be a problem with your hardware or settings--I hope that offers you some consolation.

 

 

There's a chicken in a bikini mod? I may have to DL that just for the humour of it lol. and thanks for the advise

[Z999999zAaaaaaaaaa]

 

 

Markarth is the crash (title lol) bUt I'll activate the doors, they'll open to load, but the second you "leave" markarth the game crashes before the loadscreen. I have like 100 mods running, but it's only during the faction main quests. I was there before for pickpocket, fine, but main quest? nope for some reason. I'm wondering if the scripts have been buggered or something

 

Actually I was afraid the answer to my "what" question was gonna be "playing Skyrim, duh!" :rolleyes:

 

Well you could have a script error, but it's probably related to a mod, and I can't really help you with that unless I can see what you've got. Screenshots work if you don't *love* to type...Sometimes the mod causing problems doesn't seem like it would be associated, so listing them all would be the most useful way.

 

If you are not comfortable posting that you have the chicken in a bikini mod ;) , then I would alternately suggest that you:

1. Run BOSS or some other ordering software and hand-place mods that BOSS doesn't recognize with similar mods

2. Verify your game cache

3. Revisit the readmes and discussion pages of all of you mods, starting either with the most likely suspects (mods having to do, even tangentially, with Markarth: general environment mods (including things like SOS), quest and NPC mods, looking for mention of similar problems and the workaround.

 

Listing all your mods may not preclude you from having to go through the second option, alas, but I might see something that jogs a thought in me or someone else....

 

Since it only happens at Markarth, it doesn't seem to me that it is likely to be a problem with your hardware or settings--I hope that offers you some consolation.

 

 

There's a chicken in a bikini mod? I may have to DL that just for the humour of it lol. and thanks for the advise

 

[mensch8maschine]

I've got the EXACT same problem, need to talk to the gourmet, can't enter the keep. Also, I couldn't enter a part of the Labyrinthian, which is also Dwemer themed. I had assumed it may be dwemer texture or lighting related...

 

my mods:

 

 

Update.esm

TravellersOfSkyrim.esm

Populated Cities NPCListMaster.esm

WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm

JSwords.esm

moonpath.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

SPODUM.esm

BreezehomeLadderFix.esp

Brynjolf Dialogue Fix.esp

Shrine of Azura LOD Fix.esp

TalosShrineFix.esp

HighResTexturePackFix.esp

IceBreaker's Improved Reverb.esp

Improved Combat Sounds v2.0.esp

Rooster At Dawn v1.0.esp

skyradio.esp

SoS - The Dungeons.esp

SoS - The Wilds.esp

Better Dynamic Snow.esp

Natural Skyrim Rain.esp

Realistic Lighting.esp

Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

3DNPC.esp

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes_HighSpawn.esp

Auto Unequip Helmet.esp

Birds.esp

Birdsofskyrim.esp

bloodierCombatv1.1.esp

Catsofskyrim.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

Conjuration & Summoning fixes.esp

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp

GS.esp

DaedricCrownCraftable.esp

DragonCrownCraftable.esp

DragonPlateCrownCraftable.esp

Dogsofskyrim.esp

DragonSoulsToPerks.esp

EbonyCrownCraftable.esp

ElvenCrownCraftable.esp

ExpandedJewelryCrafting.esp

GlassCrownCraftable.esp

Immersive Patrols.esp

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One.esp

Long lost smelters.esp

Mannequins.esp

mintylightningmod.esp

More Craftables.esp

morevillageanimals.esp

Occupy Skyrim.esp

People Have Torches.esp

SabreFurBag.esp

TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp

ValsCraftingMeltdownAlpha.esp

AdventurersAndTravelers.esp

BarberShop.esp

CrowdedCities.esp

Auto Unequip Arrows.esp

DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp

Necessary Map Markers (all files included).esp

Blindfolds_of_Skyrim.esp

Bucklers-Complete.esp

Cloaks.esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

Craftable Artifacts.esp

CrazyVaclavsArrows.esp

Daedric Lord Armor.esp

DandelionArmor.esp

UNP Jewelry.esp

DragonBoneWeaponsComplete.esp

DwarvenMech.esp

Dwemer Scouter.esp

Northborn Fur Hoods.esp

Gri_Scarf_and_Gugel.esp

Insanity's Sorrow.esp

Ivory.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

LFArmors.esp

lordamor.esp

LubaSkyWings.esp

MaleClericArmorHeavy.esp

MessiasDarkJester.esp

NightsWatchArmor.esp

Obsidian.esp

Oriental Weapon&Armor.esp

Pirsing.esp

Prometheus_ConanOutfits.esp

R18Pn - Eisen Platte Armor.esp

RedguardKnight.esp

RingOFNighteye.esp

SamuraiArmor.esp

ScampsIron.esp

ScoutArmor.esp

Shields_of_the_northern_kingdoms.esp

SilverDragonArmor.esp

SkyforgeWeapons.esp

Sovngarde Steel Armor and Weapons.esp

survivor_armor.esp

TTHN-Northern Sky.esp

UltraVision.esp

uruk.esp

warchiefarmor.esp

warmagearmor.esp

WayoftheVoice2.esp

Winterscale Armor.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

DeadlyDragonsSpells.esp

DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp

Beautiful Riften.esp

Beautiful Whiterun.esp

Breezehome Open Windows.esp

Dawnstar_Fortified.esp

hobbithouse.esp

moonpath_questdata.esp

N333-BetterWindhelm-V_1.0.esp

RealisticWhiterun.esp

SolitudeCapitalCity.esp

The Asteria - Dwemer Airship.esp

WRenchanter_tilted.esp

AddChoices01.esp

armored-horses.esp

BetterItemSorting.esp

BetterQuestObjectives.esp

BRrobecirclets.esp

Deadly Traps.esp

FasterArrows.esp

FasterArrows100.esp

Nightingale Maskless.esp

OpenFaceHelmets.esp

posesivecorpses.esp

RichMerchants_Less.esp

Sickly Diseases.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

Spells Cast Light.esp

VariedGuards.esp

TheRiftenRangers.esp

torches for RL (happy medium).esp

UnreadBooksGlow.esp

Zarias_Piercings1.esp

Populated Cities.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Reduced.esp

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

Elementalist.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts.esp

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

Duel - Combat Realism.esp

N_43 Hair Pack.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

TravellersOfSkyrim - UFO Compatibility Patch.esp

zzz_Jenassa_MAKEOVER_by83Willow.esp

wisplicker.esp

moveitLWT.esp

StopBumpingIntoMe.esp

Height Adjusted Races with True Giants.esp

WATER.esp

GreenWaterFix_LesserBlurPatch.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

chainmail.esp

DragonHideRobeArmor.esp

EternalShineArmorAndWeapons.esp

Morlock.esp

goats.esp

Ghost Rider.esp

brelyna1a.esp

FA Hide Armor.esp

VlindrelArmory v1.62.esp

SPODUM v1.4.esp

Lunariana.esp

SpectralHordeSpell.esp

 

 

 

EDIT: whats the "game cache" and how do you verify it?

 

EDIT: couldnt "moveto player" Anton Virane to me (neither RefID 0001990A or BaseID 00013387 worked), so i progressed my queststages of "Recipe for Desaster" (DB08) via console so that Virane was questioned and killed.

 

I can now proceed with the quest, but I STILL can't enter Understone Keep!!!

Edited June 19, 2012 by mensch8maschine

[tinylewtgriffon]

I just ended up deleting everything and restarting. I've got less mods running so if it's one of them then we'll see

 

 

I've got the EXACT same problem, need to talk to the gourmet, can't enter the keep. Also, I couldn't enter a part of the Labyrinthian, which is also Dwemer themed. I had assumed it may be dwemer texture or lighting related...

 

my mods:

 

 

Update.esm

TravellersOfSkyrim.esm

Populated Cities NPCListMaster.esm

WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm

JSwords.esm

moonpath.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

SPODUM.esm

BreezehomeLadderFix.esp

Brynjolf Dialogue Fix.esp

Shrine of Azura LOD Fix.esp

TalosShrineFix.esp

HighResTexturePackFix.esp

IceBreaker's Improved Reverb.esp

Improved Combat Sounds v2.0.esp

Rooster At Dawn v1.0.esp

skyradio.esp

SoS - The Dungeons.esp

SoS - The Wilds.esp

Better Dynamic Snow.esp

Natural Skyrim Rain.esp

Realistic Lighting.esp

Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

3DNPC.esp

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes_HighSpawn.esp

Auto Unequip Helmet.esp

Birds.esp

Birdsofskyrim.esp

bloodierCombatv1.1.esp

Catsofskyrim.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

Conjuration & Summoning fixes.esp

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp

GS.esp

DaedricCrownCraftable.esp

DragonCrownCraftable.esp

DragonPlateCrownCraftable.esp

Dogsofskyrim.esp

DragonSoulsToPerks.esp

EbonyCrownCraftable.esp

ElvenCrownCraftable.esp

ExpandedJewelryCrafting.esp

GlassCrownCraftable.esp

Immersive Patrols.esp

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One.esp

Long lost smelters.esp

Mannequins.esp

mintylightningmod.esp

More Craftables.esp

morevillageanimals.esp

Occupy Skyrim.esp

People Have Torches.esp

SabreFurBag.esp

TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp

ValsCraftingMeltdownAlpha.esp

AdventurersAndTravelers.esp

BarberShop.esp

CrowdedCities.esp

Auto Unequip Arrows.esp

DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp

Necessary Map Markers (all files included).esp

Blindfolds_of_Skyrim.esp

Bucklers-Complete.esp

Cloaks.esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

Craftable Artifacts.esp

CrazyVaclavsArrows.esp

Daedric Lord Armor.esp

DandelionArmor.esp

UNP Jewelry.esp

DragonBoneWeaponsComplete.esp

DwarvenMech.esp

Dwemer Scouter.esp

Northborn Fur Hoods.esp

Gri_Scarf_and_Gugel.esp

Insanity's Sorrow.esp

Ivory.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

LFArmors.esp

lordamor.esp

LubaSkyWings.esp

MaleClericArmorHeavy.esp

MessiasDarkJester.esp

NightsWatchArmor.esp

Obsidian.esp

Oriental Weapon&Armor.esp

Pirsing.esp

Prometheus_ConanOutfits.esp

R18Pn - Eisen Platte Armor.esp

RedguardKnight.esp

RingOFNighteye.esp

SamuraiArmor.esp

ScampsIron.esp

ScoutArmor.esp

Shields_of_the_northern_kingdoms.esp

SilverDragonArmor.esp

SkyforgeWeapons.esp

Sovngarde Steel Armor and Weapons.esp

survivor_armor.esp

TTHN-Northern Sky.esp

UltraVision.esp

uruk.esp

warchiefarmor.esp

warmagearmor.esp

WayoftheVoice2.esp

Winterscale Armor.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

DeadlyDragonsSpells.esp

DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp

Beautiful Riften.esp

Beautiful Whiterun.esp

Breezehome Open Windows.esp

Dawnstar_Fortified.esp

hobbithouse.esp

moonpath_questdata.esp

N333-BetterWindhelm-V_1.0.esp

RealisticWhiterun.esp

SolitudeCapitalCity.esp

The Asteria - Dwemer Airship.esp

WRenchanter_tilted.esp

AddChoices01.esp

armored-horses.esp

BetterItemSorting.esp

BetterQuestObjectives.esp

BRrobecirclets.esp

Deadly Traps.esp

FasterArrows.esp

FasterArrows100.esp

Nightingale Maskless.esp

OpenFaceHelmets.esp

posesivecorpses.esp

RichMerchants_Less.esp

Sickly Diseases.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

Spells Cast Light.esp

VariedGuards.esp

TheRiftenRangers.esp

torches for RL (happy medium).esp

UnreadBooksGlow.esp

Zarias_Piercings1.esp

Populated Cities.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Reduced.esp

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

Elementalist.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts.esp

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

Duel - Combat Realism.esp

N_43 Hair Pack.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

TravellersOfSkyrim - UFO Compatibility Patch.esp

zzz_Jenassa_MAKEOVER_by83Willow.esp

wisplicker.esp

moveitLWT.esp

StopBumpingIntoMe.esp

Height Adjusted Races with True Giants.esp

WATER.esp

GreenWaterFix_LesserBlurPatch.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

chainmail.esp

DragonHideRobeArmor.esp

EternalShineArmorAndWeapons.esp

Morlock.esp

goats.esp

Ghost Rider.esp

brelyna1a.esp

FA Hide Armor.esp

VlindrelArmory v1.62.esp

SPODUM v1.4.esp

Lunariana.esp

SpectralHordeSpell.esp

 

 

 

EDIT: whats the "game cache" and how do you verify it?

 

EDIT: couldnt "moveto player" Anton Virane to me (neither RefID 0001990A or BaseID 00013387 worked), so i progressed my queststages of "Recipe for Desaster" (DB08) via console so that Virane was questioned and killed.

 

I can now proceed with the quest, but I STILL can't enter Understone Keep!!!

[tinylewtgriffon]

So after restarting, the bug has indeed returned in a new spot, this time involving Hircines tribal totems. After examining the mod list above and turning mods we shared off, none of them was able to stop the game from crashing trying to enter a part of the dungeon with the totem, even though earlier I had been in there before the quest. something odd is going on....