has Jannix Quinn stopped modding??

[princessstomper]

Out of respect for nexus i avoided naming the people that attacked me or failed to do their moderating jobs.

You are one of approximately 200,000 members, of which about one-tenth of that number are online every day.

 

There are maybe two moderators acting at any given moment.

 

The odds of your topic being read at all are somewhat remote.

 

This is why the Report button exists.

[giskarduk]

Out of respect for nexus i avoided naming the people that attacked me or failed to do their moderating jobs.

You are one of approximately 200,000 members, of which about one-tenth of that number are online every day.

 

There are maybe two moderators acting at any given moment.

 

The odds of your topic being read at all are somewhat remote.

 

This is why the Report button exists.

 

Excuse me if i do not sympathize with you here Princess Stomper. 2 years of abuse because beth moderators lock threads and spread the trouble around several new threads rather than deal with the trouble maker directly has left me a little bitter towards beths moderating team.

 

I realize to you the trouble ends with the lock thread but to the rest of us modders, it just moves it to new threads where it continues to stress us out over a prolonged period of time.

 

Anyway, I am sure your a perfectly nice person at heart Princess Stomper and mean well but you clearly have no idea of how serious this is. So I'll see you here the next time somebody quits or god forbid has a heart attack at keyboard because of the stress it caused them and we can talk about the implications of the social networking revolution we see around us these days and how the geek is being replaced by little anty smith and her heart murmer.

 

In case you had not guessed it by now, i want to see beth moderators actually punishing offenders more often. Thats all I think is needed to correct this problem.

 

Giskard

[Varus Torvyn]

There's one point you missed, Giskard.

 

You'll never know if an offender got punished unless word gets out. You can't see other members' Warning Percentage, and who will tell you if someone is banned on Bethesda?

 

Some infractions warrant warnings, others warrant banning. It's up to the moderator, but still you'll never know what punishment they got.

 

You can only see your own Warning Level.

 

Edit - I've seen people who had accounts closed pop back up with only slightly changed names.

[princessstomper]

Edit - I've seen people who had accounts closed pop back up with only slightly changed names.

You have? Well, grateful for the reports, as always

[myrmaad]

Pardon me for not having anything useful to add, though I sympathize greatly, it's difficult to find a nice forum in which one feels cozy, safe, and comfortable--

 

but I just wanted to tell you folks how much I've enjoyed your various mods. I really love the unique creativity each of you brings to your work, very different mods, but all deeply appreciated! I'm working my way through reviewing the ones I like most, and it takes some time for me to do in such a way that your work(s) deserves.

[giskarduk]

Varus Torvyn

 

Yes that is always a pain for admins.

 

I have been an admin for 8 years and had that new account problem once again recently when i banned a guy that claimed to be an English Teacher, he came back 3 times with 3 new accounts acting like a kid so i doubt he was ever what he claimed to be. But he uses the beth forums and but everybody on edge on mechstorm. I let him insult me and get away with things against me but when he started on others, i draw the line and warned him, each time he would say No Offense then rip in to people as if those two words excused what he was doing. I eventually banned him when he started to stir up old problems directly. Even i avoid names when i speak about those days but he never would, he never new when to stop, always the last word or always had to argue every single point to death and usually his arguements never held water anyway.

 

Anyway, I know that is a difficult one to cure and im not going to pretend is easy. Its also a lot of work for the admin and i learned admins of company websites like beths have better things to do with their time. But a ban is a last resort, many things in between could be done to encourage better behavour.

 

As for punishment, the people im talking about come back and keep on doing it, so they never got punished, nor did they change their names. So that particular arguement was never the case with me.

 

Still i have had this feeling for a while that social networking changes will make all this flaming a mute point in the next few years as laws start to appear to cover these things.

 

Btw I do realise that nobody in this thread is the ENEMY, this why im not treating them as such. I may have issues with beths moderators but ultimately they are part of the solution.

 

Giskard

[buddah]

Let us remember the topic is about Jannix Quinn quitting modding.....not about moderating or moderators.

 

Buddah

[worm82075]

Yes, it's about Jannix Quinn quitting modding and all of this discussion goes right to the heart of why he quit.

 

Hero, that doesn't hold water. It is so simple that no one should misunderstand. You say there is one rule for this and another for that but your wrong, the rules are exactly the same. Altered Oblivion must rely on Oblivion and an altered DLC must rely on that DLC. The confusion is created in the minds of those that disagree with those rules.

 

Giskard and everybody else, sorry to say but you will not see the day when moderators at BGSF punish forum members for their actions against one another until Bethesda rescinds their policy and they have yet to ever go back on one. The bottom line is moderators there have to comply with that policy, and you all know what it is. WE WILL NOT POLICE THE MODDING COMMUNITY. The only tool at their disposal is the ability to lock threads.

 

So you said it best Giskard and I'll put it in much less sympathetic and more absolute terms for everyone. IF YOU CAN"T STAND THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN. In other words if you don't like it there, LEAVE. It's not like you don't have a choice and like Dark0ne said the more you try and change it the less Bethesda will want to do with the us. It serves as a burden to the system they have instilled and when it becomes to much to bear they will most certainly shed it and all of us along with it.

[herosinger]

Hero, that doesn't hold water. It is so simple that no one should misunderstand. You say there is one rule for this and another for that but your wrong, the rules are exactly the same. Altered Oblivion must rely on Oblivion and an altered DLC must rely on that DLC. The confusion is created in the minds of those that disagree with those rules.

I understand what you're saying, but I'll say again that it is impossible to make a mesh rely on an .esp file. Going by what you state are the rules, this should be against them. So would this, actually.

[princessstomper]

There should be no confusion:

 

If you are distributing for free something that everybody else has to pay for, in a manner that allows them to use it without paying for it, then that is very clearly unfair on the people who had to shell out for that stuff.

 

As a member of this community, I would be extremely wary about requesting an official written statement on the matter. Once you start inviting scrutiny and asking people to look into things, you rarely find the answer that you wanted and it ends up punishing everyone.

 

Effectively, you are requesting that the modding community is policed. Bethesda have said that they don't want that. Modders don't want that. So why ask?

 

As to the Shivering Isles armour replacer, that is the sort of mod that is allowed because it cannot be used without the Shivering Isles expansion: for one, the textures are locked in the Shivering Isles .bsa file, and for another, the armour won't appear in-game without the expansion. Ditto the clothing replacer - it cannot be used without the game itself.

 

It is perfectly possible to make a DLC-dependent mod - I've made one myself. All you do is use Bash to .esm-ify the file, create a mod dependent on that conversion, then flip it back into an .esp file for in-game play. So, for example, the KOTN armour could be placed in a cell added by KOTN, thus ensuring that the player has purchased KOTN before playing the mod.