Bethesda game flaws? or game overload?

[jefthereaper]

hi,

 

i have been experiancing specific crashes,

they just crash my game to the desktop witouth warning

but they are not random

they always seem to happen when i walk true spesific parts of skyrim, i have not noted them all,

but 2 of the locations that i do know of are when i pas the "Frostflow lighthouse" (everybody inside is dead, falmer dug there way in from the cellar, its located north on the map)

and in Mortal, when i fast travle to the village nothing happens but when i cross the bridge on the back of town or even try to come close, the game CTD's

 

i have been testing with esp files from mods and i noticed that it happens to a large variety of mods,

for example, "warzones, soul forge, Rayeks End

 

all these mods course the crash when i come there,

if i de activate them nothing happens

 

so here is what i have been thinking, strange things happened before too,

could this be a problem with the CK making something go wrong?

a Bethesda bug if some specific codes are adjusted? or is it possibly these crashes happen by just using too many mods? (what i think would be strange course my pc should be able to handle this, also if i run the game on low graphics it makes no difference and to top it all off, if these crashes are coursed by over loading my game then i weep when the DLC's come out course installing 1 should then technically ctd my game constantly and a second DLC should stop my game from working altogether if the game is really that weak on running)

 

does anybody know why this crash really happens?

has anybody had the same problems?

does anybody know a fix?

[Georgiegril]

Mods change or add files to the original Skyrim program.

There are thousands of mods. Each may change textures, scripts, items, locations, NPCs etc.

Sometimes two (or more) mods affect the same files. When that happens, the last mod loaded takes precedence.

In some cases, that can cause an error that causes a crash. This is why using a mod sorting program like BOSS is so important, to avoid this as much as possible. Sometimes loading properly allows two mods that affect the same files to run smoothly. In other cases, the mods are incompatible and you have to choose one or the other. This is why its important to read the author's readme completely as well.

This type of crash has nothing to do with your graphics or CPU abilities. It is simply conflict of computer code.

 

Mods with scripts and texture mods often cannot be removed completely just by deactivating, and some require specific steps or uninstall programs in order to avoid lasting negative effects.

 

To minimize your chance of problems, read each mods readme and follow the instructions for installation exactly.

Add one mod at a time, run BOSS after each and play the game to see if it is working.

If you need to uninstall, go back to the mod page and read again to see proper uninstall procedure.

Repeat this process if you need to update the files.

 

Raad the following helpful thread:

Nexus thread: load order and you

 

Hope this helps.

[jefthereaper]

XD thanks but thats actualy the basic stuff i learned about in oblivion 2-3 years ago :tongue:

 

problem is i never seen anything like this happen,

in oblivion eventualy i "overloaded" my system with too many mods but the game would crash at random locations or even if i stood still for 5 minutes if somebody came close to me and had to load something

 

here in skyrim i had stuff like that too but the CTD i have now is something i have never had before,

a crash ALWAYS and i repeat ALWAYS when i cross a specific location, like a invisible trip wire that destroys my game altogether,

i am not very sure if skyrim's workings are that different form oblivion and i dont think that these crashes have anything to do with the mods themselfs but more likely a bethesda flaw in the creation kit or the skyrim code itself,

 

first i tought it might have to do something with the crashes only happening when i used a mod that added a new interior,

with soul forge and ro"something something" end mod this was sure, however

warzone does not add any new interior locations to my knowledge but instead adds a lot of new spawns and characters,

thus a lot of new textures and meshes

 

however if i de activate those mods and basicly activate 240 other mods the game will run fine

so i was hoping somebody knows something about this situation and how it can be solved

more importantly , how its coursed,

 

man i wish there was a program that monitors the game constantly, then when the game crashes you can simply read the last lines the game processed to see what coursed the fatal error :confused:

[Georgiegril]

The stuff you learned in oblivion applies here.

The "invisible trip wire" your talk about is caused when you run across one of those conflicts by activating one of those files (by movement in the world, running across a collision zone, entering a portal, whatever.)

It is not a flaw in the creation kit or the skyrim code, it is the code being overwritten by mods, and sometimes in ways that conflict and cause errors that run from pauses to visual problems to ctds.

 

If you use BOSS you can run a log that can report potential errors or conflicts.

 

240 mods are 240 completely unique and independent programs, all making changes on the basic files, without knowledge (in most cases) of how the other 239 files are affecting the base files. This is the cause of the problem. There is no fix except to carefully read the authors readmes, follow their instructions exactly, run Boss and monitor your game performance.

[jefthereaper]

well oke, thanks

strange i forgot all that,

so busyness in life i cant tell left from right sometimes

 

reason i only use NMM and not boss is course i still have bad experiences with boss in oblivion, i installed it, my game crashed, and i lost all my saves, data and i tought my game was gone for too,

after installing and using it again it happened a second time, i just stopped trying course i did not feel like loosing my data over and over, so i just kept testing (about 6 montsh) to find the correct load order by hand, and it worked, but it was troublesome (you cant say that im not determinate XD)

 

but i guess i can give Boss a try in skyrim, new game new chances after all

 

anyway, thanks for the reply's and help, :biggrin:

i also noticed your mod when i linked to your name, i only saw title and pictures course i did not have time to read it all yet, but it feels interesting :thumbsup:

[Georgiegril]

[so busyness in life i cant tell left from right sometimes

/quote]

Yeah, I'm still working on left and other left... :rolleyes:

 

Wrye Bash can do a lot of what BOSS does, so you could try that. I have had no problems with BOSS with Skyrim, tho, and haven't noticed anyone having problems similar to what happened to you with Oblivion, so maybe that is no longer an issue. Props to you for having the patience to try to order all those mods manually! Oy!

 

Thanks for the comments on the house and for checking it out!:biggrin:

[jefthereaper]

XP yeah ive been know for being very patient and working detailed XD good and bad both XP

 

well i tried Boss now but i cant even get it installed, my pc resues to download the installer and manual download in a zip folder is no help at all course my pc wont open the readme's

and im still trying to find help on the internet via google but the problem is these people just talk ON and ON about useless stuff and just dont get to the point (very frustrating course im dyslectic and reading stuff is a torture on its own)

but i guess i will find it soon, probably that i need to put Boss inside the skyrim folder course letting it loos just gives me a error notice and running boss does not work course it gets interupted and just stops :wallbash:

this is why i did oblivion manual, if people dont even go true the trouble to place a simple "this is how you do it"

and only place useless talk then why would i even rely on a program that would take me weeks to install while i can do it all manually anyway XP

 

 

i still think its a shame for oblivion tough, i dont think FCOM was ever finished, it has so much glitches, no mather how you intalled it it had countless spots where the game would crash by having the mod alone, if they would have been able to finish that mod i would be playing oblivion instead of skyrim now :biggrin:

still a shame i never had morrowind,

necromancy and a lot of dead stuff, thats my kind of play style XD

[jefthereaper]

well at least i think its doing nothing, my load list did not change after i activated it but i do get a INI file with a lot of texts and codings saying "delete X mod course it is already in X mod"

stuff like that, but the load order did not change one bit

[Georgiegril]

I'm not sure how you are getting this. It sounds like you might be trying to download BOSS as a mod? Even though it is on the nexus, it is not a mod. You need to download it like a regular program, to your desktop or Program Files or where ever.

 

At the BOSS page in Nexus, There are two download options, either the regular (archive) or the installer version. I use the regular, but if you are having problems with one, you might try the other.

For the archive version you unzip the files and extract to wherever you want it (I keep it on the desktop for convenience). I think the installer version just automates that process for you.

 

In windows 7, if you clickon your start menu, then "all programs, find Boos and open the file, you will see two options, BOSS and BOSS GUI. I prefer BOSS GUI. Once you open that it will give you options to direct it to arrange or just list your files, and were you want to see the log. If you have it reorder your files, it also has an option to roll back the changes.

[jefthereaper]

yup i know,

 

downloading the intaller gives me a massage that "i cant"

no reason why i cant donwload it it just tells me

 

doing the archive gives me the 2 options, using the nomral one also tells me i "cant use it" or "it crashed"

while i use the Gui one i get the options, i tell it to run, it loads 1-2 seconds, then the load bar vanishes, and all i get is a new ini file in the boss folder,

but the load order does not change, i get no message about what happened or whatsoever, (this is why i want people to make clear read me's and at least say what programs you need to run stuff like this :/ it even took me 2 months to install wrye bash!

only thing i trusted up to now is the nexus mod manager and oblivion mod manger