Late game problems

[zecond]

So im having a big problem, fun breaking one in fact.

Whne I start a new game evrything is fine and dandy, no crashes no bugs, everything works properly. Whne I get to lvl 20 and above (about 15-20 hours of total gameplay might be more). My saves start to act wonky. They simply dont load. I could always go back and load a prevous old and woking save and force my way trough one way or another, but that gets anoying fast. Sometimes certain territories will get my game crashing and on a new game they wont.

It goes like this. When im in game evrything works fine saves load, all of them, and no ctd. When I exit the game to refresh the AI (sand of time issue, with too many reloads (5-6 in a cell) Ai might stop working or npc start to float off if too many) and get back saves wont load I just get a ctd and thats it.

Here is my load order if you guys think that there is a problem with it.

 

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
TKChildren.esm
Campfire.esm
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp
AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp
DynamicDungeonLoot.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
TrueArtifactsofSkyrim.esp
iNeed.esp
iNeed - Extended.esp
Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp
Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
imp_helm_legend.esp
TrueArtifactsImpCFHelmPatch.esp
Lethal Traps - Smilodon Patch.esp
Mortal Enemies.esp
NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp
Realistic Melee Range.esp
RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp
AKSkyrimUnderground.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
Cloaks.esp
DBM_Cloaks_Patch.esp
Wheres Your Smelter.esp
Hunterborn.esp
PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
RimStats.esp
SkyUI_SE.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
VioLens SE.esp
vinis_transmute.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
TrueStart - BaseSkills.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
DBM_TAS_Patch.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
WZOblivionArtifacts.esp
Frostfall.esp
DBM_IW_Patch.esp
DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
DBM_OblivionArtifacts_Patch.esp
DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
DBM_IA_Patch.esp
DBM_ArtifactsOfBoethiah_Patch.esp
DBM_SkyrimUnderground_Patch.esp
DBM_Apophysis_Patch.esp
DBM_HA_Patch.esp
TKChildren.esp
notice board.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
DBM_NoticeBoard_Patch.esp
DBM_iNeed_Patch.esp
AchieveThat_SE_en.esp
Ravengate.esp
Dawnguard&VolkiharArtifactsQuests.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
TrueArtifactsUniqueUniquePatch.esp
ThaneWeaponsReborn.esp
DBM_DDL_Patch.esp
DBM_DGE_Patch.esp
DBM_KelCrossbowPatch.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
DGE_PCIorLSC_Patch.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp
Hunterborn - iNeed Patch.esp
Hunterborn - Leather Tanning.esp
Hunterborn - Soups and Stews.esp
Elemental_Dragons.esp
DBM_ElementalDragons_Patch.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
TKDodge.esp
Artful Dodger - Dynamic Pickpocket Cap.esp
ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp
Forgotten Magic - Ordinator Compatibility Patch - Restoration Tweak.esp
StavesAtback.esp
StavesAtback_AddOn.esp
Visible Favorited Gear.esp
beltfastenedquivers.esp
Heart Breaker SE.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
SOTFull.esp
DBM_SoT_Patch.esp
Smilodon - Combat of Skyrim.esp
Realistic AI Detection 2 SE - Medium Interior, Medium Exterior.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Merge.esp

 

 

[gromulos]

Nothing should ever load after the Bashed patch

 

Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Merge.esp

 

AND, if that's a merged patch from Tes5Edit, you should NOT be using it - it's explained in my guide straight from 2 of the main contributors that work on Wrye Bash, even the maker of Xedit says not to use both.

 

That's the only problem i see except that a LOT of people have stated moving Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp directly above the bashed patch has helped them

 

Also what files were cleaned using Xedit, if any

 

my guide, read the parts by alt3rn1ty & Sharlikran IF you did indeed use a mergad patch - https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/2235394-beginners-guide-to-modding/

Edited September 10, 2018 by gromulos

[zecond]

Lets see here, i sorted all masters and wyre bash is showing green acros the board (always wanted to find an ocasion to say... type that.)

 

On the use of both wyre bash and merge patch, i read in the comments on the page you posted and recomended and says that if i delete the leveled items list and leveled npc it should be fine, though i noticed that it overites somes of the wyre bash settings which i think is bad, i do modify some records in the bashed patch for some dragons and quest npc (Elemental dragons and dragon born museum thing).

 

As for the cleaned esp.

 

 

AKskyrimUnderground.esp

Andromeda-UniqueStandingstones.esp

ArtifactsOfBoethia.esp

Dawnguard&VolhikarArtifactQuests.esp

Dawnguard.esp

DBM_IW_patch.esp

Dragonborn.esp

HearthFire.esp

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

ImmersiveWeapons.esp

imp_helm_legend.esp

LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp

Prvtl_HeavyArmory.esp

Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp.backup

Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp.backup

Update.esm.backup

WZOblivionArtifacts.esp.backup

TrueArtifactsImpCFHelmPatch.esp.backup

Wheres Your Smelter.esp.backup

Dr_Bandolier.esp.backup

DBM_ElementalDragons_Patch.esp.backup <--- not sure about this one, i messed with it a bit and have like 6 back ups of it so just count it as cleaned

1nivWICCloaks.esp.backup

AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp.backup

Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp.backup

 

 

 

I do apologise for any duplicates i had to do them one by one. As for the records ive messed with dont worry it is justvcopy pasting soe records from ElementalDragons.esp to Bashed.esp to overite the merge with the vanilla and USSP patch.

 

Here is my new load order with all advice taken if you dont respond for the next 10 hours or so ill go without the Merge Patch, better safe than sorry.

 

 

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
TKChildren.esm
Campfire.esm
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp
AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp
DynamicDungeonLoot.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
imp_helm_legend.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
TrueArtifactsofSkyrim.esp
Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp
Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
TrueArtifactsImpCFHelmPatch.esp
Lethal Traps - Smilodon Patch.esp
Mortal Enemies.esp
NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp
Realistic Melee Range.esp
RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp
AKSkyrimUnderground.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
Wheres Your Smelter.esp
Hunterborn.esp
iNeed.esp
iNeed - Extended.esp
PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
RimStats.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
VioLens SE.esp
vinis_transmute.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
TrueStart - BaseSkills.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
DBM_TAS_Patch.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
WZOblivionArtifacts.esp
Frostfall.esp
DBM_IW_Patch.esp
DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
DBM_OblivionArtifacts_Patch.esp
DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
DBM_IA_Patch.esp
DBM_ArtifactsOfBoethiah_Patch.esp
DBM_SkyrimUnderground_Patch.esp
DBM_Apophysis_Patch.esp
DBM_HA_Patch.esp
TKChildren.esp
notice board.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
DBM_NoticeBoard_Patch.esp
DBM_iNeed_Patch.esp
AchieveThat_SE_en.esp
Ravengate.esp
Dawnguard&VolkiharArtifactsQuests.esp
TrueArtifactsUniqueUniquePatch.esp
ThaneWeaponsReborn.esp
DBM_DDL_Patch.esp
DBM_DGE_Patch.esp
DBM_KelCrossbowPatch.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
DGE_PCIorLSC_Patch.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
Cloaks.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
DBM_Cloaks_Patch.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp
Hunterborn - iNeed Patch.esp
Hunterborn - Leather Tanning.esp
Hunterborn - Soups and Stews.esp
Elemental_Dragons.esp
DBM_ElementalDragons_Patch.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
TKDodge.esp
Artful Dodger - Dynamic Pickpocket Cap.esp
ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp
Forgotten Magic - Ordinator Compatibility Patch - Restoration Tweak.esp
StavesAtback.esp
StavesAtback_AddOn.esp
Visible Favorited Gear.esp
beltfastenedquivers.esp
Heart Breaker SE.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
SOTFull.esp
DBM_SoT_Patch.esp
Smilodon - Combat of Skyrim.esp
Realistic AI Detection 2 SE - Medium Interior, Medium Exterior.esp
SkyUI_SE.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Merge1.esp

 

Edited September 10, 2018 by zecond

[gromulos]

If it was me i would not even bother using the merged patch, specially since you said it's over writing the bashed patch on some records, so that's a HUGE problem for 2 reasons

 

1) those over writes are causing a conflict on their own OR

2) with both patches being used some items are being patched twice, this "can" be VERY bad all by itself as it could be causing a conflict exactly like you described for your problem

 

I will tell you this from my own personal experience, I used to do the same thing and one time i forgot to make the merged patch, that play through i got all the way to level 84 before I had my FIRST crash lol . I have since stopped using merged patches completely and I almost never crash unless I play for 12 + hours and run out of memory lol that was about 2 years ago :tongue:

 

BTW, I never clean Update.esm - reason being Update.esm is exactly that, an update to Skyrim.esm which everyone knows not to clean - this is a VERY debated topic some people do and some people don't - FYI

Edited September 11, 2018 by gromulos