Jesugandalf Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 This morning, at 7.50a.m. CET, five bombs have exploded in three different railway stations in Madrid. More than 180 people were killed. More than 1000 people were wounded, including children and pregnant women. The bombs were put into bags and then into different trains who were supposed to be carrying a lot of people to their works, to the university, to their daily routine. At that time, peak hour, the trains coming from the suburbs and the nearby cities of Madrid were crowded of people. There were five explosions. Three of them in the same train, as it was entering Atocha, the second biggest railway station in Madrid. In one of the other stations, just four minutes before the explosion another train had left with hundreds of people in it, hundreds of people who would have suffered the explosion had it been a few minutes before. And yet the people responsible for this nameless thing claims they are not guilty, "the islamic integrism", they say. But nobody in Spain believes them, we know how they are, and how they act. Now they cannot kill politicians, or university teachers, so as they can just put a bomb-bag in a train and make it explode in a crowded railway station, they do it. That is intolerable. I just wanted to say: does killing almost two hundred people and injuring more than 1000 (not counting relatives of killed and wounded) worths the price? Do they think they're going to get what they want this way? I'm shocked... PS: sorry for writing this sad post here, but I had to. It's a bad day and I'm feeling bad. And, luckily for me, I don't have any relative among the killed. But that just makes me think how people who had lost a friend, a father, a mother, or a child should be. If you use to pray, please, do pray for all the victims of this terrorist attacks. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Of course no one can support the killing of the innocent. Such acts of barbarism sadden me whenever I hear of them. A few extremists wish to stir up a religious reaction to try to escallate the situation. The main thing is to catch the perpetrators and not to believe they are representive of Islam. Indeed their actions run contrary to the teachings of their own religion. They are not representative and for as long as we refuse to accept the connection they must ultimately fail. If they create a climate of Islamophobia they have achieved their objective. Let us not permit them to win. I do not believe in any god, so my praying would be hypocrisy. But I will support a cry of anguish into the ether in the hopes that if enough people do so the reverberation of the cry may echo in the ears of the wrong doers until their dying days and that their shame will never leave them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesugandalf Posted March 11, 2004 Author Share Posted March 11, 2004 No, I'm sorry if I explained myself incorrectly. The thing is that the killers are almost sure members of a terrorist band called ETA. They're terrorists who claim for the independence of the Basque Country, although their methods of claiming are... well... filthy. What I was referring to was that they had something like a "political party" which was banned some time ago, and the leader of that party said this morning he was sure ETA had not committed the massacre, but the "islamic integrists". Of course, we all in Spain know almost for sure it was them, and not the islamic people. After confirmation, it's almost certain it was the ETA. Sorry if I gave a wrong impression in the previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 It doesn't alter my response. It doesn't matter who the extremists are. (There was an attempt at destabilisation conducted by so called Islamic extremists in Istanbul not so long ago). Such acts serve no purpose because they are attempts to hold society to ransom and everyone knows that if you give in once it will only encourage others. Euskadi Ta Askatasuna is unlikely to be representative of the majority of the inhabitants of the Basque country. Thus they have the same reason for trying to polarise the rest of Spain as the Islamic extremists or for that matter the squabbling 'religious' factions in Northern Ireland. Where hatred does not exist - bring it about by whatever means you can. I have no time for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casuir Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Malchik, troubles up the north have nothing to do with religion, its just a handy way of distinguishing between the 2 sides. The actual conflict is about the enforced partition of Ireland by the UK 80 years ago and the various atrocitys are commited by those wishing to end it and those wishing to remain part of the UK. Jesugandalf, commiserations on the loss of your countrymen. I'd be surprised though if it wasnt the actions of an Al-Quada related group though as it bears all the hallmarks of one of their attacks (multiple simultaneous strikes) and its a bit removed from anything Etas done on the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesugandalf Posted March 11, 2004 Author Share Posted March 11, 2004 Well, deep analysis of the explosive material (which was stolen in France four years ago by ETA members), as well as previous failed attempts to cause a massacre in Madrid by ETA members made the police state, 99% sure, that they did it, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:Imrahil:. Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Off Topic: Has anyone here already heard about the exploding trains by terrorists in Spain? That is really sick. At least 900 wounded and 200 dead; body parts everywhere.. Sick... The ETA is suspected to be responsible, though this is much much bigger than they have ever done. Anybody heard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pack Rat Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 It's a terrible thing to be sure... Tho, the Palestina's are been slaughtered for years, the U.S. murdererd over 10.000 people in the last 3 years. Where is the difference between terrorist and a regular army? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Where is the difference between terrorist and a regular army? A regular army attacks legitimate military targets. A terrorist attacks whatever will get the most attention, even if those victims have nothing to do with their "cause". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregmegil Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 I'm from spain, not from Madrid, from Barcelona and it was terrible. But the fact that ETA is the responsible is not clear for me. They always phone before a bomb will explode, and they never attack "normal" people, thay usually look for politics, policemen and bussineman that didn't pay the money they want from that bussinesman. Today noone of thesse things happened. I'm not agree with ETA, if anyone can read this from my words. I can't understand what terrorist win killing people, and less if you think that ETA is supposed to be like IRA, they want the independence of the Pais Vasco, a north region of spain. Nothing more to add because the images show the thruth. I'm nervous because I have friends from Madrid. :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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