Load ordering...

[ianfreddie07]

Well, I still haven't got Oblivion to work. Usually, all I can do is walk around for a few seconds then I get a CTD, or I'll let some weird lighting CTD me. Once again, I have reinstalled Oblivion. I saw some of my load ordering errors and fixed them and I added a few more mods. But now, it's a CoS (Crash on Startup). Please help me sort out my order and find out what causes the CTDs. Thanks.

 

Load order (Organized by FCOMHelper, other mods at the bottom will be sorted later):

Oblivion.esm

Jog_X_Mod.esm

CM Partners.esm

AWS-Core.esm

Cobl Main.esm

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

Mart's Monster Mod.esm

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm

TamrielTravellers.esm

DremoraCompanion.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

Cybiades.esm

Toaster Says Share v3.esm

DA Run Fatigue.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

oc_darker_nights.esp

AWS-ShiveringIsles.esp

Cities Alive At Night.esp

IWR-Lights.esp

IWR-Windows.esp

IWR-Shutters.esp

SkingradBridgeLights.esp

AliveWaters.esp

AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp

AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp

Book Jackets Oblivion.esp

ChaseCameraMod.esp

PersuasionOverhaul.esp

Update My Statue.esp

Living Economy - SI.esp

Ayelid Wells.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp

Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp

Armory of the Silver Dragon.esp

BlackLuster.esp

DMACArmor.esp

Dragon Knight Armor v. 1.1.esp

New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp

pale_rider's Armory of the Berserker.esp

pale_rider's Paladin Equipment_enchanted_eng.esp

PhoenixEquipment.esp

samurai.esp

Sauron_Armor_Chest.esp

SentientWeapon.esp

tda_ScytheModv1.2.esp

Doomshard Bow.esp

Thieves Arsenal.esp

Dragonbone Armor Set.esp

xuldarkforest.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp

ExnemRuneskulls.esp

Cobl Glue.esp

Cobl Si.esp

OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp

Cobl Tweaks.esp

Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

OOO-Armor_Perks_WearRate_Repair.esp

OOO-BirthSigns.esp

OOO-Combat_Skills_Perks_Marksmanship.esp

OOO-DaedraLord_Quests.esp

OOO-Dangerous_Traps.esp

OOO-Magic_Effects+Enchantments.esp

OOO-Magic_Effects+Spells.esp

OOO-Magic_Game_Settings.esp

OOO-Potions.esp

OOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.esp

OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creature Skins.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp

TamrielTravellers4MMM.esp

Travellers4MMMHostileFactions.esp

TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp

TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp

ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp

FineWeapons for OOO.esp

PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp

PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp

RustyItems for OOO.esp

BladesSmithyOOO.esp

bartholm.esp

Cybiades.esp

CybiadesDungeon.esp

Ivellon.esp

300_White Stallion 4.esp

AkaviriKojima.esp

Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp

Artefacts of the Ancestors.esp

AyleidArrows.esp

BravilSeaDomes.esp

ChangeinManagement.esp

DremoraCompanion.esp

FF_WaldnirsWoods.esp

GTAesgaard.esp

Hand of Dawn - ONE.esp

HoarfrostCastle.esp

House On The Bluff .V2.esp

Klarre Forestheart.esp

KumikoManor.esp

Lakeview2.esp

LastUnicorn.esp

M.O.E. - The Black Sacrament - Night Mother's Ritual.esp

MountainTower.esp

NakedNord.esp

Snow Dragon Temple v1.0.esp

TheElderCouncil.esp

thievery.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp

WeaponsOfTheNine.esp

WhiteRoseLodgev2.0.esp

Cliff_RankDependantArenaSpectators.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

M.O.E. - Visit Valen Dreth Topic.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

TOTF.esp

Ruin.esp

Mighty Umbra.esp

Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp

Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

Origin of the Mages Guild.esp

TheNecromancer.esp

KvatchAftermath.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

KvatchAftermath-EntiusGorge compatibility patch.esp

TheNecromancer-EntiusGorge patch.esp

ULFallenLeafEverglade.esp

LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp

TheElderCouncil-FallenleafEverglade patch.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

mythsandlegends.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp

HouseOnTheBluff-LostCoast fix.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

WaldnirsWoods-AncientRedwoods patch.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Cities - Full Additions.esp

BCAnvil-LostCoast Fix.esp

AnvilBayExpansion.esp

Better Cities - Anvil Bay Expansion.esp

BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp

Better Cities - LS RTT TotF.esp

WBA Arboretum.esp

Better Cities Full - LEYAWIIN No Flooding.esp

FightersGuildContracts.esp

Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp

Harvest [Flora].esp

Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp

DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp

DropLitTorchOBSE.esp

M.O.E. - Travel Services.esp

M.O.E. - Lucien Lachance Rumors Fix.esp

M.O.E. - Lycanthropy and Lichcraft.esp

M.O.E. - New Classes.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

Cyrodiil Border Regions 1.2.esp

Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp

FF_Horse_Whistle.esp

Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

RealisticFatigue.esp

DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp

DA Sprint.esp

RealisticForceMedium.esp

RealisticMagicForceLow.esp

M.O.E. - Vampire Clan Raelu.esp

M.O.E. - Vampire Players Scarier.esp

Level_Rates_Modified_x3.esp

Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp

Toaster's Legendary Skills.esp

Toaster's Legendary Mastery.esp

MidasSpells.esp

Midas OscuroGems.esp

M.O.E. - Mythic Dawn Powers.esp

SupremeMagicka.esp

SM_ShiveringIsles.esp

SM_DLCSpellTome.esp

SM_OOO.esp

SM_COBL.esp

SM_EnchantStaff.esp

SM_UnlockSpells.esp

ND_LongerSummons_x2.esp

StealthOverhaul.esp

M.O.E. - Realistic Law Enforcement - Part One.esp

M.O.E. - Realistic Law Enforcement - Part Two.esp

RenGuardOverhaul.esp

RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp

Denock Arrows.esp

CM Partners.esp

Dark Dungeons - SI.esp

OOO-Respawn_Week.esp

Real Lava 1.3.esp

Visually Enchanted 2.1.esp

[GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp

M.O.E. - Unlocked Hairstyles.esp

_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp

Slof's Playable Xivilai.esp

AinmhiRace.esp

Streamline 3.1.esp

DeadlyReflex - Combat Moves.esp

Mounted_Spellcasting Deadly Reflex Compatible.esp

Deadly Reflex Bow Sway.esp

A Very Silly Slaughterfish Mod.esp

Akaviri Imports.esp

arme - excalibur.esp

Daedric Lord Armor.esp

The Dead Knights.esp

Platinum Armor and Weapons.esp

RealSwords - Argonian LO-NPC.esp

RealSwords - Bosmer LO-NPC.esp

RealSwords - Breton LO-NPC.esp

RealSwords - Khajiit LO-NPC v1.3.esp

RealSwords - Orc LO-NPC v1.0.esp

RealSwords - Redguard LO-NPC.esp

TTHealthRegen.esp

M.O.E. - Playable Dremora and Custom Race Fix.esp

[Michlo]

Hmm, I'm not familiar with many of your mods but I would recommend that you look carefully into the compatibility fixes between OOO and MMM.

 

Oh and as an aside, you might like to try a very good vamp mod which does more than just the face fixing you have. :)

 

Good luck.

[Varus Torvyn]

iirc, the limit on mods is 255. You're over that, as the esm files also count. Also you've probably got conflicts galore with all the environmental mods thrown in.

 

Sounds to me like you've got to look at your mod count, and also go through a ton of mod descriptions & readme files to look up conflicts.

[ianfreddie07]

So... If I go over the mod limit, does it crash?

[Varus Torvyn]

So... If I go over the mod limit, does it crash?

Undoubtedly so. Any program will have problems if you issue more calls than it can handle. Conversely, I've read that having a lot of unchecked .esp files can also cause problems.

 

I would suggest making a comprehensive list of what you really want to have in the game, and go with that. You really can't have it all, you'll just swamp the program.

 

A streamlined game - with load-ordered mods - that functions smoothly is much more preferable to one that crashes because you're asking for it to do too much.

 

For example, my goal for my game is to load in quest-mods for character advancement and to increase gametime. Counting support mods and replacer mods, I'm running 62 or so mods right now.

 

Sure, I can add more, but I play it safe. If I see a mod I'm interested in, first I take the time to read the mod author's Mod Description. Most of the best mod authors test their mods to discover conflicts, and they will post them in their Description.

 

I download the file to a temporary download folder, then unzip it into the same folder. I then open up the Readme File to see if the Mod Author has more good info.

 

I also look to see if the mod has been included in the .txt file for Random's FCOM Helper load-ordering utility. Again, the best mod authors send their info to Random so that he can place the mod properly within the list. If it's not listed and I really want the mod, I'll try contacting the author and ask if they wouldn't mind contacting Random with the particulars of their mod.

[ianfreddie07]

Ohhhh... I see. Thanks for the info Varus. Now to remove a number of mods.

[LFact]

Ohhhh... I see. Thanks for the info Varus. Now to remove a number of mods.

 

For small Weapon/Armor/Clothing mods, you can merge these plugins into one.(TES4Gecko is useful for that)

[ianfreddie07]

Removed some of the mods. However, I crash when trying to start a new game. I wonder if it has something to do with Alternative Start

[bben46]

You don't say if you are running OBSE or not. OBSE must be started before Oblivion. And it will cause a CoS if it is needed and not present.

[ianfreddie07]

I am running OBSE