Georgia and Russia

[Timihendrix91]

Weren't those missiles? I'm pretty sure they were, because Putin said that he would retaliate if they were placed there. I'm talking about a missile shield, anyway.

 

edit: No, you're right, i remember now. It was a missile defense system. We don't actually have a sattelite defense system though.

[desperado2008]

Philosopher "Confused"

 

Wow, it's Confucius, buddy. wallbash.gif

 

I really hoped the quotes would help...

 

What really amazes me is "Confused" was take by Confucius (although the similarity was intentional, indeed), worse, it would be take as a blatant error, and even "indeed" was intended to link the said to the name.

 

But the original intention was achieved. empowered everything that followed. Mainly that part that says about the eager to take positions second an insufficient/malformed base...

 

Sadly so many people prefers to contribute with first thought answers instead asking/demanding response to well pondered questions.

 

So I change the statement and make clear "I say" it: "Tis easy to blame/defend things when we think we don't need to answer for our answers" (or we don't perceive/concern what our words are doing).

 

响水不开，开水不响。---中国谚语

TXL:The more someone don't knows about something the more he have to talk about it.

 

you satisfied? I thought you knew something about Confucius, but I was disappointed.

 

知之为知之，不知为不知，是知也 --- 孔子

 

TXL： We know something we know, We don't know something we don't know, that's what we know.---confucius，

 

quoted by Bush president when Iraq war began.

 

 

anyway, war is always a bad thing, even worse than earthquake, that's all I know, I read a novel before named "the winner Lost", if there's war, there is no winner but survivor。

[Timihendrix91]

TXL:The more someone don't knows about something the more he have to talk about it.

I still don't see how that pertains to this thread, at all.

[desperado2008]

TXL:The more someone don't knows about something the more he have to talk about it.

I still don't see how that pertains to this thread, at all.

 

 

just explain the indirect traslation from chinese above to english, both two sentences have the same meaning。

 

Well, Off-topic is my fault, you guys go on with R-G Crisis, I hold neutralisation.

[DarkWarrior45]

Weren't those missiles? I'm pretty sure they were, because Putin said that he would retaliate if they were placed there. I'm talking about a missile shield, anyway.

 

edit: No, you're right, i remember now. It was a missile defense system. We don't actually have a sattelite defense system though.

 

Well, either way, the whole thing is a big mess over there. And I'm afraid it won't be resolved any time soon.

[humanbean234]

Personal gripe: Calling the current conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq "The War on Terror" is pure propaganda and hype. If it looks like a spade, call it a spade. They'd be better titled "The Wars of Vengeance and Oil."

 

Personal rant: So 9/11 is propaganda? 3,000 dead in the streets of New York propaganda? I think that's the biggest.... I can't finish that sentence because of forum rules. The War of Terror is not propaganda mister. The conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan is not about oil. If so, then why did Bush lift the ban on offshore drilling here in the US. Why would we be so adamant about getting away from foreign oil?

 

And besides, this thread is about Russia and Georgia, not about Iraq, so it's off-topic.

 

Having spent a great deal of time studying the politics and history of Southwest Asia, so-as-to clearly understand my enemies should I (as a US Soldier) be deployed to that theatre of operations, I must disagree with your first paragraph, though I agree with your second. A discussion of Southwest Asia, or of the politics of petroleum, is off-topic in this thread. If you care to discuss those subjects with me via PMs, that's cool.

 

Regarding the US giving the Georgian soldiers assistance via airlift, once again, I never said it was wrong for us to do so. I simply stated the fact that we were doing so. For all I know, the US Air Force was likely the vehicle that brought those soldiers to Iraq in the first place. At a minimum, we owe them a ride home.

 

"Mister" is how a Commissioned Officer addresses a Warrant Officer.

My title is "Corporal," if you please.

(Not being snarky; just trying to enlighten you on the vantage-point from which I view things.)

[DarkWarrior45]

Having spent a great deal of time studying the politics and history of Southwest Asia, so-as-to clearly understand my enemies should I (as a US Soldier) be deployed to that theatre of operations, I must disagree with your first paragraph, though I agree with your second. A discussion of Southwest Asia, or of the politics of petroleum, is off-topic in this thread. If you care to discuss those subjects with me via PMs, that's cool.

 

Regarding the US giving the Georgian soldiers assistance via airlift, once again, I never said it was wrong for us to do so. I simply stated the fact that we were doing so. For all I know, the US Air Force was likely the vehicle that brought those soldiers to Iraq in the first place. At a minimum, we owe them a ride home.

 

"Mister" is how a Commissioned Officer addresses a Warrant Officer.

My title is "Corporal," if you please.

(Not being snarky; just trying to enlighten you on the vantage-point from which I view things.)

 

My apologies Corporal, I was unaware of your ranking. Plus I think my language was a little on the strong side, as I was going in a blind rant.

 

If you disagree, that's fine. I state my opinions, which are, I'll admit, very conservative. I support Bush and what he's doing. Others, such as you, do not. That's fine, but I will state my opinion; I'm an opinionated sob that can't keep his mouth shut.

 

I agree with the notion that we should give the Georgian soldiers a ride home; I never said I disagreed. In fact, I think it's right for the US to do so.

 

Back on topic, I personally believe, that with recent events, that the Ukraine should be accepted into NATO, and that the US and the UK need to meet Russia head on politically and back Georgia up. I'm not talking about starting WWIII here, but rather meeting Russia politically.

[humanbean234]

Also, I didn't say I don't support Bush or what we're doing (hell...he's the Commander-in-Chief... I'm directly supporting his decisions), but I'm very-much a realist when it comes to the rationales for why we take military action. To label those conflicts with a "spin-doctored" title does a disservice to the world.

 

The difficulty is in attempting to view the conflict through the eyes of one's opponent.

The Georgians, I imagine, see themselves as Freedom Fighters, attempting to reclaim lands that were historically theirs, after decades of distant control by a foreign government being run from Moscow, a government made up of people not from their region, unfamiliar with the demands of daily life in Georgia.

The Russians, I imagine, see themselves as betrayed benefactors, having sheltered Georgia for decades under their defensive plan, having helped develop Georgia's infrastructure, and having contributed much in the way of ideas and education into the region, they are now faced with a defiant-teenager of a southern neighbor who chooses to ally themselves with a former enemy, and who began attacking them for the purpose of gaining a larger allowance.

 

Important to remember that in any conflict, both sides see themselves as morally superior.

(Helpful when running an RPG also... the Villain is far more interesting when they see themselves as acting righteously.)

[desperado2008]

I assume Russia must feel threatened by US force bases scattered around her, so her toughness is not only against Georgia but also a signal of warning to US, "don't get any closer”， I guess that's what russians meant to say.

[humanbean234]

I assume Russia must feel threatened by US force bases scattered around her, so her toughness is not only against Georgia but also a signal of warning to US, "don't get any closer”， I guess that's what russians meant to say.

 

Sidebar comment: Earlier this year, Russia also resumed regular high-altitude long-range bomber practice flights over the Pacific Ocean and Bering Sea... flexing their military muscle just to remind everybody that they're still a nuclear power.