Sarya Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 desperado2008, there was a comment (possibly a joke) about communism domination in Russia earlier in the topic, which is obviously untrue. As well such a thing as current president of Russia Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, which is also untrue. But the first one is really much funnier.Don't pay attention to those my words if they trouble you, they weren't directed at you. And I don't yet see where did I not understand the proverb. Obviously not knowing of two such widely known facts causes doubt about knowledge of less obvious ones. And as in proverb the discussion is rather intense for this forum. Am I still wrong about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayTracer Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 And i don't want to russian people thought about United States as about the enemyThose that have brains - do not, you may believe me. Every politic force lies - and our is no exception.Of course! But many people believe that media and politicains speaks! That is why russian TV and russian radio was blocked in Georgia from the very beginning of the conflict. They even have blocked russian internet-sites, that georgian people did not know that Russia is not going to bomb peace cities. And when planes dumped bombs on military objects near some cities, people were in a panic! They have thought that bombardment of cities has begun! At the same time the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia informed that Russia bombs peace cities. But it is a lie! Because neither russian military, nor the international observers have not confirmed it. What for to the international observers to lie? And when planes dumped bombs on military airdrome near to Tbilisi, the capital of Georgia, Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia informed that Russia bombs the city. How do you like this?! Saakashvili lay from the very beginning. He has declared that he wants to peacefully resolve the conflict, and yet at the night he attacked the South Ossetia. Today Georgia's deputy interior minister report that convoy of "Russian" tanks left georgian city of Gori and were heading from the Gori toward the capital Tbilisi. Saakashvili has told CNN Wednesday that Russian forces are moving towards the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, and trying to encircle the city. "The Russians are encroaching upon the capital. They are making a circle. We will protect our capital until the last drop of our blood. We will never surrender to the Russians" - that's what he said. And he has added that that Georgian forces were stationed in and around Tbilisi and vowing an "all-out resistance" to the Russian forces. But it was simply evacuation of a military technics which the Georgian army has leave on military base near city of Gori. And such statements Saakashvili do for the western media every day of the conflict !!! Yes, along toward evening the Georgian authorities have told that it was only evacuation. But many people all across the world heard that: "Breaking news! Russian tanks go to Tbilisi to assault the city!". And it's right after Russia has signed the agreement on cease-fire! Because CNN has told so. Because Associated Press, BBC and many others media has told so. It is information war. And it is dishonest. It is information distortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landsknecht Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I am skeptical that this cease-fire is going to stop the war. The timing of the whole thing is now coincidence. I simply do not trust Putin and the Bush administration, especially after seeing those two talking during the opening ceremonies of the Olympics. http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m36/InfoLandsknecht/1621521445.jpg Then I ask, where is the UN in all of this? Then I remember, I asked that same question in 2003 with Iraq, and I knew world politics better in 2001, I would have asked that same thing with Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timihendrix91 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 who is communist in this thread? the americans? sounds ridiculous.Hey, not all Americans are ignorant to what is actually going on. :P I live in the USA, and I'm well aware that Russia is not at fault here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarya Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Just wanted to ask. Is that true that Bush "accidentally forgot" to mention the oesetian and russian victims of the first attack and that words about them were erased from Putin's speech? Really, just interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desperado2008 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Just wanted to ask. Is that true that Bush "accidentally forgot" to mention the oesetian and russian victims of the first attack and that words about them were erased from Putin's speech? Really, just interesting. international politic is complicated and dirty, just remember please, without USA's support in advance，how dare Georgia provoke russia? now USA is preparing for invading Iran, that could explain something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarya Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Well, I don't really doubt that. Just wanted to be sure about that particular piece of dirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humanbean234 Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Just wanted to ask. Is that true that Bush "accidentally forgot" to mention the oesetian and russian victims of the first attack and that words about them were erased from Putin's speech? Really, just interesting. international politic is complicated and dirty, just remember please, without USA's support in advance，how dare Georgia provoke russia? now USA is preparing for invading Iran, that could explain something. Off-topic: The US is not preparing to invade Iran. It's a complicated thing to explain, but I can positively state that we will not be invading Iran. I'll send you a PM on this, since there's currently no thread on that topic. I'm not sure about the Bush speech, and I don't have time to search the web for a transcript. Do we have any other Americans on this thread who'll volunteer for that task? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timihendrix91 Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Off-topic: The US is not preparing to invade Iran. It's a complicated thing to explain, but I can positively state that we will not be invading Iran. I'll send you a PM on this, since there's currently no thread on that topic.I'm also interested in how you know. Obviously it would be a disaster to us, but frankly I can't see that stopping nationalistic war-mongerers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayTracer Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 I am skeptical that this cease-fire is going to stop the war.Me too. Even if Moscow and Washington will not use anymore Georgia in their political games, enmity between ossetian and georgian people will not disappear anywhere. That is why this conflict on Caucasus was inadmissible. Conflicts on caucasus always proceed for years. As an example it is possible to take the conflict between armenians and azerbaijanians for a Nagorno-Karabagh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabagh If you read this article, you'll see that the situation is very similar to the conflict between Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Difference is that Armenia and Azerdajdzhan are two countries with close military and economic possibilities. But in Abkhazia and South Ossetia lives in the sum about 300 thousand people. Against Georgia with its 4,5 million they do not have any chances without the aid of the world community. But, unfortunately, only Russia has agreed to help them to defend independence. I heard, the Minister for Foreign Affairs of France said that EU is going to direct the international observers to a conflict zone. I think, it's a really good sign. international politic is complicated and dirty, just remember please, without USA's support in advance，how dare Georgia provoke russia? now USA is preparing for invading Iran, that could explain something.Yes, probably, it is so. Russia always was against military operation in Iran. But now, when everybody think that Russia "has made aggression to Georgia", nobody will to listen Russia, if the military operation in Iran will begin. And not only that! 15 August 2008: Poland has signed a preliminary deal with the US on plans to host part of its new missile defence shield. - BBC. (full article >>here<<)- that's what i spoke in >>this post<<. The Polish government long delayed the answer and doubted. The conflict in Georgia has pushed them to the prompt this conclusion of the contract. international politic is complicated and dirty, just remember please, without USA's support in advance，how dare Georgia provoke russia? now USA is preparing for invading Iran, that could explain something.Off-topic: The US is not preparing to invade Iran. It's a complicated thing to explain, but I can positively state that we will not be invading Iran. I'll send you a PM on this, since there's currently no thread on that topic.August 12, 2008: DEBKAfile’s military sources note that the arrival of the three new American flotillas will raise to five the number of US strike forces in Middle East waters – an unprecedented build-up since the crisis erupted over Iran’s nuclear program. (full article >>here<<)I really hope that it is not new war beginning. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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