CTD on first change-screen

[folgore62]

Currently, I'm using the Alternate Start mods. When I start up the game, I go through the usual character creation & destination selection process. Lately, I've had my PC go local taverns. The moment the PC tries to exit the tavern, I see the change screen, but then soon after a CTD occurs.

 

My game is modded and I'm using MO2 as my mod manager. Any ideas as to what would cause this? Any utility to deal with CTDs? Or any maintence I need to do to files?

 

Yes, I'm upgraded to the latest SKSE.

[Algabar]

Could you post your load order please? Without knowing which mods you have installed, it's pure guessing...

 

Also please give us more information on the CTDs:

- Arre they related to certain taverns or do they happen when exiting ANY tavern?

- Are the CTDs limited to certain cities (which might indicate a problem with a city overhaul mod)?

- What happens if you enter and exit other buildings than taverns (e.g. shops, Dragonsreach, temples etc...)?

[folgore62]

Could you post your load order please? Without knowing which mods you have installed, it's pure guessing...

 

Also please give us more information on the CTDs:

- Arre they related to certain taverns or do they happen when exiting ANY tavern?

- Are the CTDs limited to certain cities (which might indicate a problem with a city overhaul mod)?

- What happens if you enter and exit other buildings than taverns (e.g. shops, Dragonsreach, temples etc...)?

Load Order:

 

 

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

7 7 arnima.esm

8 8 Falskaar.esm

9 9 Alpine Forest of Whiterun Valley.esp

10 a TravellersOfSkyrim.esm

11 b ApachiiHair.esm

12 c ApachiiHairFemales.esm

13 d ApachiiHairMales.esm

14 e RSkyrimChildren.esm

254 FE 0 Windhelm Bridge Overhaul - Patch for Windhelm Exterior Altered.esp

254 FE 1 Windhelm Exterior - Sewers Patch.esp

JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp

Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm

15 f TravellersOfSkyrim - Light.esp

16 10 Lanterns of Skyrim Light Balance Patch.esp

17 11 Cutting Room Floor.esp

18 12 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

19 13 Ducks and Swans.esp

20 14 icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp

21 15 SkyUI_SE.esp

22 16 Dawnguard&VolkiharArtifactsQuests.esp

23 17 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

24 18 SSE High Quality Music.esp

25 19 TerrainLodRedone.esp

26 1a QaxeWinterholdRebuild.esp

27 1b SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

28 1c Skytest Creature Extension.esp

29 1d RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

30 1e WetandCold.esp

31 1f You Hunger.esp

32 20 You Hunger - Falskaar.esp

33 21 EconomyOverhaulandSpeechcraftImprovements.esp

34 22 EconomyOverhaulandCuttingRoomFloorPatch.esp

35 23 OBIS SE.esp

36 24 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

37 25 Lupinus.esp

38 26 High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp

39 27 High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp

40 28 High Level Enemies.esp

41 29 High Level Enemies - Increased Max Resists.esp

42 2a High Level Enemies - Raised Ability Caps.esp

43 2b Ars Metallica.esp

44 2c simpleCarriageExpansion.esp

45 2d Immersive Encounters.esp

46 2e DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp

47 2f BirdsAndFlocks_SSE.esp

48 30 Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp

49 31 Skytest Immersive Creatures.esp

50 32 Mythical Ages.esp

51 33 TrueStormsSE.esp

52 34 Mythical_TS_Patch_Dusky.esp

53 35 Mythical_TSPatch_Wet&Cold_AddOn.esp

54 36 WondersofWeather.esp

55 37 Obsidian Mountain Fogs.esp

56 38 S3DTrees NextGenerationForests.esp

57 39 Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp

58 3a S3DLandscapes NextGenerationForests.esp

59 3b JKs Skyrim.esp

60 3c Blues Skyrim.esp

61 3d EconomyOverhaulandDawnofSkyrimPatch.esp

62 3e Dawn of Skyrim RND Patch.esp

63 3f JKs Skyrim_Dawn of Skyrim_Patch.esp

64 40 Windhelm Exterior Altered.esp

65 41 Windhelm Bridge Overhaul.esp

66 42 Windhelm Lighthouse.esp

67 43 Solitude Exterior Addon.esp

68 44 Raven Rock.esp

69 45 SkyrimSewers.esp

70 46 OutlawsRefuges.esp

71 47 JKs Skyrim_OutlawsRefuges_Patch.esp

72 48 Deadly Shadows for JK Skyrim.esp

73 49 DragonbridgeVendorsAndBlacksmith.esp

74 4a ShezrieOldHroldanVer2.esp

75 4b Skyrim Reborn - Whiterun Hold.esp

76 4c Darkwater Crossing.esp

77 4d Karthwasten - Let The Silver Flow.esp

78 4e half-moon-mill-vampire-town.esp

79 4f TES Arena Amol.esp

80 50 Tes Arena Nimalten.esp

81 51 Tes Arena NorthKeep.esp

82 52 Settlements Expanded SE.esp

83 53 Settlements Expanded SE - Lanterns of Skyrim Patch.esp

84 54 Gavrostead.esp

85 55 Overstead.esp

86 56 Keld-Nar.esp

87 57 CampNewZainab.esp

88 58 Badersee.esp

89 59 CL BarrelsCratesChests.esp

90 5a cliffs.esp

91 5b Convenient Bridges.esp

92 5c Man Those Borders!.esp

93 5d UniqueBorderGates-All.esp

94 5e HoldBorderBanners.esp

95 5f Laundry.esp

96 60 frozenintime.esp

97 61 notice board.esp

98 62 OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp

99 63 Missives.esp

100 64 Better Dynamic Snow.esp

101 65 BlendedRoads.esp

102 66 UnreadBooksGlow.esp

103 67 BottlesOfSkyrim_RND_compatible.esp

104 68 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

105 69 3DNPC.esp

106 6a CollegeStudents.esp

107 6b TES5SE NPCs Travel.esp

108 6c SolstheimMerchantsInWhiterun.esp

109 6d WARZONES - SSE - Civil Unrest.esp

110 6e The_Sinister_Seven.esp

111 6f Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

112 70 Artifacts.esp

113 71 Cloaks&Capes.esp

114 72 Immersive Weapons.esp

115 73 USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp

116 74 ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp

117 75 Elemental_Staffs.esp

118 76 EnneadShields.esp

119 77 KS Hairdo's.esp

120 78 PAN_NPCs.esp

121 79 Bijin_AIO-SV 2018.esp

Bijin Warmaidens.esp

Bijin Wives.esp

Bijin NPCs.esp

122 7a IB - All-in-One.esp

123 7b Hott Interesting NPCs.esp

124 7c RaceMenu.esp

125 7d RaceMenuPlugin.esp

126 7e XPMSE.esp

127 7f TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

128 80 Player Blink Fix.esp

129 81 ModestElderly.esp

130 82 nwsFollowerFramework.esp

131 83 Andromeda.esp

132 84 RSChildren.esp

Realistic Haircolors.esp

12FemaleBrows.esp

Valerica.esp

Serana.esp

Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp

Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Realistic Water Two Patch.esp

Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp

CinematicFireFX.esp

CWIOOSEPatchReplacer.esp

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

dilenoalmohican.esp

ELE_SSE.esp

EmbersHD.esp

FireBurns.esp

JKs Skyrim_Cutting Room Floor_Patch.esp

mihailpheasantsandducks.esp

OpulentOutfits_2017-SSE Replacer.esp

Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp

PCE - 3DNPC Patch.esp

PCE - RDO Patch.esp

PCE - Relighting Skyrim.esp

PCE - Skyrim Sewers Patch.esp

PCE - USSEP+CRF Patch.esp

RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp

RDO - USSEP Patch.esp

Realistic-Voice.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Needs Mod Patch.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp

RealisticWaterTwo.esp

Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp

RSChildren - CRF Patch.esp

Run For Your Lives.esp

Serana Dialogue Edit.esp

Skysan_Icicle.esp

SOT-Sleeping.esp

STAC.esp

T'Skyrim - True Skyrim.esp

TMBVanillaArmorandClothes.esp

133 85 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

134 86 Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp

 

 

 

Update: I ran SSEDIT and found a CTD error caused by a mod being out of place. I made there correction and tried running game again. (I considered cleaning the Master files, but SSEDIT didn't indicate any problems that needed to be cleaned.)

 

For going to the Riverwood Tavern, before it CTDd during the "Change Screen." Now I get an infinite load screen. No crash, just a load screen that never ends.

 

Next time, I'll try some other scenario to see if the results are the same.

I then tried putting PC in Whiterun tavern. PC makes it out the door.....and then CTD.

 

Edit: Regarding Load Order, I try to match up the "data" side with plugin load order posted above.

[Algabar]

Hmm... You got quite a large load order. I didn't see anything obviously wrong. But there are lots of mods changing towns and villages - and also some mods adding NPCs. I'm not an expert on mods like "JK's Skyrim" or "Settlements expanded", so I can't say for sure, if there are compatibility issues. But that's definitely something you should check.

 

Apart from that, mods adding buildings and - more important - NPCs will put some strain on your system. And you got a lot of this type of mods. So it may be an "overload" issue.

 

So, what could you do? IMHO the only way would be to go back to a stable load order and restart from there. Maybe you still know what mods you had installed before the CTDs started. If so, go back to that configuration. If you're unsure, start uninstalling the last mods you added, until the problem goes away.

 

I know this isn't particularly helpful right now, but when building up load orders like yours, you need to test a lot. Only add a few mods at a time, then test...

 

On a side note: I'm not sure if checking in xedit will tell you, if a master file needs to be cleaned. The normal way is using LOOT. If the master files need cleaning, LOOT will tell you. From my experience, LOOT is very reliable in this respect.

[folgore62]

Hmm... You got quite a large load order. I didn't see anything obviously wrong. But there are lots of mods changing towns and villages - and also some mods adding NPCs. I'm not an expert on mods like "JK's Skyrim" or "Settlements expanded", so I can't say for sure, if there are compatibility issues. But that's definitely something you should check.

 

Apart from that, mods adding buildings and - more important - NPCs will put some strain on your system. And you got a lot of this type of mods. So it may be an "overload" issue.

 

So, what could you do? IMHO the only way would be to go back to a stable load order and restart from there. Maybe you still know what mods you had installed before the CTDs started. If so, go back to that configuration. If you're unsure, start uninstalling the last mods you added, until the problem goes away.

 

I know this isn't particularly helpful right now, but when building up load orders like yours, you need to test a lot. Only add a few mods at a time, then test...

 

On a side note: I'm not sure if checking in xedit will tell you, if a master file needs to be cleaned. The normal way is using LOOT. If the master files need cleaning, LOOT will tell you. From my experience, LOOT is very reliable in this respect.

 

Algabar, thanks for taking a look at my load order! I was following the "Nordic Skyrim" load order. He tested it on his PC, which is powerful and up-to-date. My PC, which only has 2 GIGs VRAM and no SSD drive might be overwhelmed by an ambitious load order. I only wish I knew a bit more about what kind of mods tax what resources. For texture mods, I know enough to stick with "performance" versions of the mod or to stick with 2K or less. For other types of mods, I'm clueless.

 

I tried disabling some mods but had no success in fixing the problem. I ultimately decided to start another "instance" under MO2 and try to do a watered down version of the mod list with far fewer plugins. Hopefully, I've learned something along the way...