Ulfric used the "Disarm" Shout on the High King!

[Daggdag]

According to the Stormcloaks, Ulfric did not literally kill the High King with a shout, but disarmed him, and through him back with one before running him through with his sword. There is a shout in the game called Disarm. I think this would fit the description.

[Relativelybest]

Thing is, the people who were actually there, at Torygg's court, watching the duel in person, claim Ulfric basically shouted him to death. And that really doesn't fit the description for the Disarm shout at all.

[pwnedbyscope]

no, they say that ulfric shouted Torygg to pieces, but what actually happened is Ulfric shouted, striking Torygg down in fear then used his ax to slay him, his court wanted to put the fear into people that Ulfric could kill people with his voice, propaganda if you will

[breakwind]

I dunno...I wasn't there

[imperistan]

To an ignorant person, a shout would seem monstrous even if it was something like Kyne's Peace. You can't rely on the observers of the duel to accurately state how Ulfric shouted, as this was likely the first time they've even heard of the concept, very much less seen it put to use.

 

What they see as "Torygg being shouted to pieces" in their quite obviously irrational state was in all liklihood no more than a simple disarm shout or the weakest Unrelenting Force. Ulfric's voice isn't anything special. At best he can stagger someone who wasn't a mere boy, and possibly throw down someone like Torygg. But he couldn't shout a wad of dirt to pieces, very much less a man.

[MacSuibhne]

Ulfric is not Dragonborn. He doesn't have even a fraction of the skill or power with a shout that you do. I seem to recall seeing a video clip of Ulfric using his shout...it was pretty pathetic.

 

Ulfric was there at the duel too, remember.

 

When questioned, he readily admits to having challenged Torygg, shouting him to knock him down, and then killing him with his sword. He doesn't take any special pride in any of it but suggests that it needed to be done to make a point. I can't see any reason for him to lie. Once he admits he did it, the details are relatively unimportant...at least from his perspective.

 

The testimony of everyone else has to be suspect simply because, as Imperistan points out, of the hysteria factor but also because there is a propaganda advantage in portraying the duel as a murder.

Edited June 19, 2012 by MacSuibhne

[BrettM]

Since Ulfric says he knocked Torygg down, I think we can be sure he used Unrelenting Force. What would he have to gain from lying about it? I have seen him use Disarm against Rikke in one play through, so I know he knows it, but Disarm doesn't knock you down, though it may stagger you a bit. I have also seen him use Unrelenting Force against Rikke in other play throughs, and against Tullius with my one character who sided with the Empire.

 

It seems highly unlikely that he knows any Shouts aside from those two, much less one that can tear someone apart. He studied with the Graybeards for 10 years, and Arngeir says it takes years for an ordinary person to master a single Shout. The tale of Ulfric shouting Torygg apart just lacks any credibility, even coming from eye witnesses to the duel, much less those who are reporting it second-hand.

[MacSuibhne]

I was not aware that Ulfric knew two shouts. All the Lore I have seen indicates he only knows one.

[breakwind]

He definitely used the Unrelenting Force shout on me one time

[fraquar]

He probably did knock Torygg down with a Disarm shout, it's not like the guy was much of a warrior anyway.