List of CTD Cuasing Mods

[Zerosion]

As of the latest patch ive had Freezes and CTD's This is a list of mods ive found that removing solved an issue. Or others have found are also causing problems. Take any information with a grain of salt, as all my issues and someones elses issues could be entirely separate entities.

 

I created this thread so that maybe, if somone is having the same problem as me, might have an easier time finding out what wrong. If you dont like that, thats your problem not mine.

 

I should also add my specs shouldn't I? ( I have an

Intel Core I7 2630QM

8GB of RAM

And a Nvidia GeForce GTX 460M card

 

(I will also state that installation of these mods were correct(its hard to mess up an NMM installation)

 

So far here is what I got-

 

1. Sounds of Fire and Water

 

2. SkyUI (I freeze every time I go into the menu. It's disappointing because this has to be in my top 5 favorites :/ )

 

3. Deadly Spell Impacts

 

4. Unique Region Names

 

5. Unofficial Skyrim Patch (Credit to MadWizard25 whom I saw a post on this one,)

 

Thats what i've been able to find out. My game is still unstable, so im searching for whatever mods i''ve still got left to find. But at least I can make it 5 min without a ctd/freezing now :D (Kill me now)

 

 

Check out Yafi's thread about ways to fix many different CTD's here if you already haven't. He's helped me out a lot, I wouldnt have had any leads to follow if not for him :D

 

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/703954-are-you-having-constant-exterior-ctds-ive-finally-found-your-solution/

 

The Load Order notepad at the bottom of his first post are his current mods that all work fine. Id check that out :)

Edited June 21, 2012 by Zerosion

[Georgiegril]

Pretty much any mod can be related to a CTD. If all depends on 1) your system, 2) your combination of mods 3)how you have them installed/ordered 4) how you uninstalled any of them 5) any other changes you have made to skyrim and/or your computer.

 

I believe it is unfair to create such a list as it gives the impression that the mods are causing CTDs, when, in fact, it is the user and the choices they make.

[Zerosion]

Pretty much any mod can be related to a CTD. If all depends on 1) your system, 2) your combination of mods 3)how you have them installed/ordered 4) how you uninstalled any of them 5) any other changes you have made to skyrim and/or your computer.

 

I believe it is unfair to create such a list as it gives the impression that the mods are causing CTDs, when, in fact, it is the user and the choices they make.

 

Its entirely possible that I've messed up somewhere, thanks for the warning, I added in a little to state that these are the mods ive had issue with.( And a little more information I forgot)

Edited June 21, 2012 by Zerosion

[SplaTt333]

29. Alternate Start - Live another life

30. SkyRe Main (skyrim redone)

31. SkyRe Races

32. SkyRe Standing Stones

33. SkyRe Vampirism

34. Economics of Skyrim

35. Weapons of third era (Wot3e)

36. SkyMoMod lists

37. DeadlyDragons

38. ASIS

39. Dance of Death

40. UFO

 

These major mods and in this order are working 100% fine. Will add more later

[yafi]

Apachii Hair only causes CTD when your system can't handle when you type "showracemenu" in the console command box.

[blitzen]

Apachii hair doesn't cause a problem itself. There is a limit to how many hairs you can have installed though. I had 5 large hair mods, and several small ones, installed at one point, and would get a CTD at character creation for females. I removed 2 of the large ones, and that eliminated the problem. The Skyrim engine has limits on how many textures it can load. As for the general topic, I think the situation is so complicated that it's really not possible to make a list like this. Your entire install/uninstall history will be a factor in the CTD's. Even mods that have been uninstalled will still have elements in the save game file, and these are carried over into subsequent saves, even after the mod is uninstalled. There are also cases where mods appear to cause issues, but it's actually another mod (often with dirty edits, etc.) that is breaking the mod that seems to be the cause of the CTD. Things are way more complicated than this thread and approach seems to imply. Also, I imagine that pointing fingers at particular mods may irritate some of the mod authors. If you want to see mod authors stop modding for the general community, that's one way to do it. I would be very careful about labeling specific mods as unstable.

[Zerosion]

Apachii Hair only causes CTD when your system can't handle when you type "showracemenu" in the console command box.

 

Just got through testing it, I got CTD's when switching races/genders in CC while using Apachi. I thought it might have been Enhanced Character Edit or Extended Slider Colors (My only two other mods in CC) , but only removing Apachii keeps me from having CTD's. Hmm, any ideas? Ill keep playing around. Something has to be conflicting.

Edited June 21, 2012 by Zerosion

[Zerosion]

Apachii hair doesn't cause a problem itself. There is a limit to how many hairs you can have installed though. I had 5 large hair mods, and several small ones, installed at one point, and would get a CTD at character creation for females. I removed 2 of the large ones, and that eliminated the problem. The Skyrim engine has limits on how many textures it can load. As for the general topic, I think the situation is so complicated that it's really not possible to make a list like this. Your entire install/uninstall history will be a factor in the CTD's. Even mods that have been uninstalled will still have elements in the save game file, and these are carried over into subsequent saves, even after the mod is uninstalled. There are also cases where mods appear to cause issues, but it's actually another mod (often with dirty edits, etc.) that is breaking the mod that seems to be the cause of the CTD. Things are way more complicated than this thread and approach seems to imply. Also, I imagine that pointing fingers at particular mods may irritate some of the mod authors. If you want to see mod authors stop modding for the general community, that's one way to do it. I would be very careful about labeling specific mods as unstable.

 

Ill admit that the situation is complicated and there are a lot of factors involved in figuring out what mod is conflicting with another mod. However, that doesnt mean you cant discuss any problems. These mods are currently, but havent always given me problems(I had no trouble until recently), this isnt the mod authors fault, its not Bethesda's fault, its just the way things are. I am in no way giving any destructive criticism to anybody. Being withdrawn and not discussing problems with anyone wont solve my problem, nor anyone elses.

 

Maybe my thread helps no one, or maybe it does, but bottom line. Ill at least try.

Edited June 21, 2012 by Zerosion

[Georgiegril]

Correct phrasing of your problem will increase the chance of your getting help.

For example, not titling your thread "CTD causing mods," but rather something like "Need help with mods"

 

Also, not suggesting a list of CTD mods, but rather listing the mods you think *you* are experiencing problems with, and requesting help. Many of the mods on your list are some of the most downloaded and endorsed mods on the nexus. They must be working very well for far more people than they don't.

 

If you are looking for a solution to your problem, I am sure many people will be happy to help. However, the view that the mods are the problem, rather than your choices in the use of them related to your computer, is not only inaccurate, but it will keep you from finding the solution you seek.

 

So, to find your solution:

Read the readmes of all the mods completely. Uninstall exactly according to the mod authors instructions.

Does your game keep crashing? If so, it could be a hardware issue, or you could have remnants of mods left over from an incorrect uninstall.

You may need to address the hardware issu, or reinstall the game using a clean install, depending on the problem.

Is the game now working?

Great, then re-read the mod author's readme, and install exactly according to the mod author's instructions, one at a time. Play the game. Any crashes? Great, go one to the next mod. Run BOSS after each new addition to check for proper load order or other conflicts.

 

If you get a problem after a mod, then go back to the authors readme and read it completely. Any known bugs/conflicts? Workarounds?

If so, apply fix. If not, read to correctly uninstall completely and play the game again. If it now works as it should, then that mod is likely not working for you, on your system, with your specific combination of mods. You can either live without it, or try the whole uninstall reinstall process again, starting with the mod that you have identified the problem with, and going until you find the mod with which it conflicts. You can then choose which you like better, go to the mod authors and request for them to make their mods compatible (which they may or may not do), or try to find your own workaround.

 

Good luck.

[blitzen]

I agree with Georgie. The main cause of crashes is not mods per se, it's the game engine itself, the CK, and the entire mod framework. The focus of a thread about stability and CTDs should not be on individual mods. Having said that, there are cases where mods do contain dirty edits, and that is a problem. There are also cases where mods do have legitimate conflicts. These should be relatively rare, at least to the point of causing a CTD. Take a look at these:

 

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/703954-are-you-having-constant-exterior-ctds-ive-finally-found-your-solution/

 

http://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:Troubleshooting#tab=Mods_and_Savegames

 

These are more appropriately focused on the process of working with mods in Skyrim in general, as opposed to having a mod-centric focus. Although using mods could theoretically be fairly simple and reliable, it's not. Bethesda has not invested sufficient time and resources in producing a robust modding framework. For example, there is no reason to retain elements from uninstalled mods in the save games. At some point the community will most likely produce a utility to clean save games. There have been utilities for removing dirty edits and orphaned elements for previous TES games. I used Wrye Bash to do this for Oblivion. It's not working for Skyrim right now. I suspect there is some level of frustration among the modders with the poor state of the Creation Kit and the Skyrim game engine on the PC. I'm hoping that things will improve, but there is no guarantee.