Error saving reference and CTD

[Oblivionaddicted]

Hello everybody!

 

Yesterday I had 2 CTD's in the same area. The first one when teleporting to a map marker and the second one when leaving the map marker for an interior.

 

MessageLog gives me the following infos before the last crash.

2018/10/21 00:13:42  [0058D198] [WARNING]   Action link defined outside of any trait.2018/10/21 00:14:57  [0046085E] [WARNING]   Error saving reference 4002C929:Persistent reference has no parent cell and no persistent cell extra data

Before the first crash MessageLog mentioned the same reference 4002C929.

 

When I take a look at the mod containing the interior and editing the marked place I don't see where the reference can be.

 

I also have other mods editing wilderness places in Tamriel and Wrye Bash shows some exterior cells as wrongly edited but I don't know if it's linked.

 

Do you have any idea of what I should do?

[Oblivionaddicted]

Here's my load order by the way:

 

Active Mod Files:

 

00  Oblivion.esm
01  DibellasWatch.esm
02  Silgrad_Tower.esm  [Version 3.39]
03  SoVvM.esm
04  Windfall.esm
05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
06  CURP_Controller.esm
07  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
08  GlobalSettingsInterface.esm  [Version 1.0]
09  TamRes.esm
0A  TamRes_LandscapeResource.esm
0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0C  Goma Pose Merged.esp
0D  Silgrad_Tower.esp  [Version 3.39]
0E  Correctif.esp
0F  CorrectifSI.esp
10  Tamriel.esp
11  TWMP_Hammerfell.esp
12  Windfall.esp
13  Symphony of Violence.esp
14  FlyingCameraMod.esp  [Version 1.3]
15  Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp
16  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
17  Full Harvest.esp  [Version 1.0]
18  TamRes.esp
19  AK_corpses_collector.esp
1A  Armageddon.esp
1B  Akaviri kojima.esp
1C  ElsweyrAnequina.esp
1D  Valenwood Improved.esp  [Version 1.02.0]
1E  TWMP_Valenwood_Elsweyr.esp
1F  ElsweyrPelletine.esp  [Version 1.0]
20  ElsweyrValenwoodImprovedPatch.esp
21  Black Marsh.esp
22  Correction des voix.esp
23  HoarfrostCastle.esp
24  (DC) Sutch Reborn.esp
25  DibellasWatchAdditions.esp
26  SoVvM.esp
27  No more empty dungeons.esp
28  KvatchAftermath.esp
29  bartholm.esp
2A  SocietyOfTheAtronach.esp
2B  Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp
2C  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 3.0]
2D  Better Benirus Manor.esp
2E  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
2F  AdventurersItemMod.esp
30  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
31  Gardarbre.esp
32  Reaper's Esmeralda's Desert Manor.esp
33  Location Names With Enemy Tags.esp
34  Le_mystere_de_RaJiska.esp
35  Verbesserte Magiergilde.esp
36  Dungeon Explorer.esp
37  Side's Cheydinhal House.esp  [Version 1.01]
38  AbuEmir01.esp  [Version ISED]
39  FusionEquipementsPlugin.esp
3A  ElsweyrCityExtension.esp
3B  Factions plus genereuses.esp
3C  Xivilai armor.esp
3D  DarkSeducerGoldenSaintArmor.esp
3E  Temple du Dragon des Neiges v1.1.esp
3F  EM_RedRoseManor.esp  [Version 2.0]
40  Loren.esp
41  Ma maison a la Cite Imperiale version Deluxe.esp
42  TolawaylAyleidCity_Quest.esp
43  Arena Posters Diversified.esp
44  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
45  Better Rosethorn Hall.esp
46  DemonHunter.esp
47  Sac sans fond.esp
48  DukeCity.esp
49  Temple District Repaired.esp  [Version 1.0]
4A  BrumaMGRestored.esp
4B  VisiblyUnlimited.esp
4C  Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp
4D  Harvest Nearby Flora.esp  [Version 1.02]
4E  SetEssentialActors.esp
4F  SigilStoneSelector.esp
50  EnchantmentRemoval.esp
51  BookLooting.esp  [Version 1.0]
52  Ma Maison a Bruma.esp
53  Ma maison a Bravil.esp
54  Ma Maison a Leyawiin.esp
55  OnOblivion_Enchantment.esp
56  0ssan_auriga Disassemble Corpse Mod.esp
57  Nouveaux ecrans de chargement.esp
58  Addicted to Oblivion.esp
59  More diverse generic enemies.esp
5A  Aurelion1.esp  [Version 2.0]
5B  ExnemRuneskulls.esp.esp
5C  Enemy Weapons dont drop.esp
5D  Sigil dungeon selector.esp
5E  Elys Invest More.esp
5F  Younger Rohssan & Rasheda.esp
60  Purge Cell Buffers - Loading.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
61  StarX Vampire Deaths.esp
62  ABloodyNight.esp
63  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
64  AgronakGroMalogDeadlyChallenge.esp
65  Sell skooma to the addicts.esp  [Version 1.1]
66  Nascosto Isles 3.esp
67  Kung Fu Fighter.esp
68  TWMP_Tamriel_Ingame_ Map.esp

[BFG99]

The reference is clearly from âLorenâ, a mod I know nothing about. I would suggest loading it in TES4Edit and searching for the reference there. You can also use the app to scan for errors in the mod (like persistent references without parents) or dirty edits.

[Oblivionaddicted]

The reference is clearly from âLorenâ, a mod I know nothing about. I would suggest loading it in TES4Edit and searching for the reference there. You can also use the app to scan for errors in the mod (like persistent references without parents) or dirty edits.

I already did it and it didn't reveal anything. :-(

 

I remember Loren has a lot of elements belonging to one exterior cell and considered being part of another and it might be the source of the problem but I don't remember the way I can get their list.

 

EDIT: I had another CTD and Crash logger mentions a reference with the first 2 numbers matching Loren's position in the load order and the 6 others being 02C929.

 

When I look for it in TES4Edit it shows me a reference in the Shivering Isles even if Loren doesn't alter this worldspace.

Edited November 1, 2018 by Oblivionaddicted