Jambo11 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 (edited) From a realistic standpoint, why is 20-gauge even in the game? This is, more or less, a rhetorical question, and an opportunity for me to blow off some steam, but The protagonist: is not shooting trap and skeet; is not hunting upland game birds; is not concerned about tearing up the meat; is not *overly* concerned with recoil. /endrant FYI, since it's likely to be suggested, rest assured that I already plan on making a "no 20-gauge" mod. Edited June 30, 2012 by Jambo11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberlazy Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Lighter/cheaper ammo? Some people *do* presumabley hunt in FONV (Athough Sunny Smiles seems to be the only one? heh), Left over 20ga's are much much cheaper then the more desireable 12ga due to the fact 20ga is less effective verus people/deathclaws? I mean, its like saying 'Why does 9mm exist, it sucks, everyone should just be using 44 magnum' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rastafariel Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) Your point is well made, but from a metagame standpoint I would have to go with... we dont know how cool a 12 gauge is unless we compare it to a 20 gauge. Edited July 12, 2012 by Rastafariel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo11 Posted July 15, 2012 Author Share Posted July 15, 2012 Lighter/cheaper ammo? Some people *do* presumabley hunt in FONV (Athough Sunny Smiles seems to be the only one? heh), Left over 20ga's are much much cheaper then the more desireable 12ga due to the fact 20ga is less effective verus people/deathclaws? I mean, its like saying 'Why does 9mm exist, it sucks, everyone should just be using 44 magnum' 9mm and 44 Magnum aren't even comparable. If anything, I would compare 9mm to .45 ACP. On that note, 9mm is small enough that they can be double-stacked without much worry of jamming, and 45ACP has more knockdown power. The way they implemented 20-gauge doesn't take advantage of the smaller size (and lighter weight) of the shells. If anything, they should have made the Riot Shotgun and Hunting Shotgun chambered for 20-gauge. Making the Single-Barrel Shotgun and the Caravan Shotgun 20-gauge was almost as asinine as implementing 20-gauge, in the first place. But...making the Lever-Action Shotgun a 20-gauge borders on being sacrilegious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bben46 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Having hunted with both 12 and 20 ga (And .410 and 10 ga) the 20 ga makes a very good slug gun and can easily take the smaller whitetail deer common in the southeast US. (And thus would be good for shooting people as well) As already said, the shells are lighter, meaning you can carry more, and cheaper meaning you can buy more on a limited budget. The double barrel and lever action are preferred in 20 ga while the pump and auto are preferred in the heavier 12 ga. I did own a bolt action .410 once, It could also fire a .45-70 bullet for hunting deer. but I preferred the double 20 for the birds and rabbits I used it for. In a post apocalyptic world, you use what you can find. And if a 20 ga is what you find, that is what you use until you can get the more powerful 12 ga. :thumbsup: The difference between being shot in the chest with a 12 ga slug or a 20 ga slug at short range would be pretty much meaningless. just a bigger hole. However, the difference with buckshot at any reasonable distance could be very significant. This is why you want that 12 ga. In 20 ga, single barrel, double barrel and lever action will be much easier to find than semi auto or pump as in the 1950s (which Fallout emulates) these were considered poor peoples guns and there would be many more of them available than the more expensive pump or semi auto. They are also much simpler mechanically and would hold up better and be easier to repair over long or rough use over time. Meaning there would be more available in the FO world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo11 Posted August 3, 2012 Author Share Posted August 3, 2012 (edited) Having hunted with both 12 and 20 ga (And .410 and 10 ga) the 20 ga makes a very good slug gun and can easily take the smaller whitetail deer common in the southeast US. (And thus would be good for shooting people as well) As already said, the shells are lighter, meaning you can carry more, and cheaper meaning you can buy more on a limited budget. The double barrel and lever action are preferred in 20 ga while the pump and auto are preferred in the heavier 12 ga. I am aware of what is available in-game, but would you mind explaining why the O/U and lever-action are "preferred" in 20-gauge? I have long since conceded that 20-gauge was put in the game so that players have a cheaper and (in hardcore mode) lighter option. However, I still have a beef with the choices they made with implementing the two respective gauges. I did own a bolt action .410 once, It could also fire a .45-70 bullet for hunting deer. but I preferred the double 20 for the birds and rabbits I used it for. In a post apocalyptic world, you use what you can find. And if a 20 ga is what you find, that is what you use until you can get the more powerful 12 ga. :thumbsup: Ahhh! So, I’m seeing only 20-gauge lever-actions in the game because I haven't found one in 12-gauge, yet. Gotcha…lol The difference between being shot in the chest with a 12 ga slug or a 20 ga slug at short range would be pretty much meaningless. just a bigger hole. However, the difference with buckshot at any reasonable distance could be very significant. This is why you want that 12 ga. In 20 ga, single barrel, double barrel and lever action will be much easier to find than semi auto or pump as in the 1950s (which Fallout emulates) these were considered poor peoples guns and there would be many more of them available than the more expensive pump or semi auto. They are also much simpler mechanically and would hold up better and be easier to repair over long or rough use over time. Meaning there would be more available in the FO world.hmm...in the 1950's, 20-gauge shotguns were easier to find in singe-barrel, double-barrel, and lever-action than in semi-auto and pump-action... That's an interesting theory, but the notion that 20-gauge was ever, at any point in time, easy to find in level-action is patently false. There might be reproduction Winchester 1887s chambered in 20-gauge, but nothing of high availability, especially in the 1950's...lol. There's also the Ithaca "Super Single" in 20-gauge, but it's nothing more than a single-barrel than pops open with a lever, and I don't believe it was available back then. Given the simplicity of single/double-barrel shotguns, the gauge of the chamber is infinitesimal in the degradation of the condition of such firearms; single/double-barrel shotguns would be in virtually the same condition, regardless of whether they were 12-gauge or 20-gauge. Edited August 3, 2012 by Jambo11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernt Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 This makes me wonder -seen from an european standpoint- how much was the 16 gauge used in the US? I am not sure when the 12 gauge replaced it here, but 16 gauge used to be the standard gauge for hunting. Inherited a lovely side by side, late 1800s from my granddad. I don't know about 20gauge, but I don't think it's common. Then again, I might be interested in firearms, but I'm not a hunter.As for 9mm vs .44 magnum. While most people would be able to fire a 9mm with little discomfort, a .44 would be able to cause damage if you don't know what you're doing. And even so, it might not be rather uncomfortable. Again, I'm very familiar with a 9mm from the military, while my knowledge of the .44 is mainly from reading -and talking to a gunshop owner who knew his wares from practical experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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