Ayleids or Dwemer

[Halororor]

Dwemer ARE elves. they just live in the earth

 

What do they want there then? :mellow:

 

The Ayleids were better in my opinion because they were a little more civilised. Now I know the Dwemer had very great technology, but while they were hammering away and building wierd machines, the Ayleids were mastering magic and loafing around in semi-underground cities while slaves did all the toiling for them.

[Thomas1616]

I really dont think its fair to say the ayleids are better if you havent even played morrowind. About half of the people who sided with ayleids did so just because they prefer elven armor over dwarven armor. Now, if you made an informed decision and chose ayleid, then i respect that. However, having played both morrowind and oblivion, i say that the dwemer are waaaaayyy better. There arcitecture, while not as attractive, was way more efficient. They were also masters of warfare, and there weapons and war machines could take down the ayleid's magic any day. They were also a much more advanced race, and knew basically everything about everything. So again, dont side with ayleid just because you havent played morrowind.

 

Well I did play Morrowind - just not alot. However, I have read alot of things about the Dwemer on places such as the Imperial library and the Elder Scrolls wiki so I'm not uninformed. But in truth they are about even in pretty much everything, and the Dwemer are definately a very interesting race. But I still prefer the Ayleids yes partly because I adore Oblivion and found Morrowind difficult to get into (but that was a graphics/gameplay thing I find the story of it fascinating). But mostly it is because I prefer the lore behind the Ayleids and their architecture. Both races however are very interesting and will hopefully be fleshed out along with the Chimer and other elven races that have no more than a few mentions in the in-game books.

[IndorilTheGreat]

Dwemer ARE elves. they just live in the earth

 

What do they want there then? :mellow:

 

The Ayleids were better in my opinion because they were a little more civilised. Now I know the Dwemer had very great technology, but while they were hammering away and building wierd machines, the Ayleids were mastering magic and loafing around in semi-underground cities while slaves did all the toiling for them.

 

Whoa whoa whoa... Forgive me if I'm a little lost here, but you are stating that the Aylieds are better because they had slaves? Don't you think that there is something a little wrong with that statement? Once again, plaese forgive me for not fully understanding, it's just that I'm a little confused...

 

I would totally have to say Dwemer is better (IMO). Why? Because they toiled with their own two hands, instead of sitting back and getting others to do it for them. In Morrowind Lore, there is a book that talks about how the Dwemer were good sorcerers and such, they just didn't have time to perfect that skill, because something went terribly wrong. If I recall correctly, they were dabbling with the magic of immortality (not a good thing to do, I am sure many of us have learned from the stories of old :thumbsup: ).

[Spartan Mage]

Well The dwemer were masters of metal work and masonry, and were highly intelligent, they built in strength, Aylieds were masters of the arcane arts and built for elegence, though only from the outside, even though the ruins are very old I could never imagine them to be much more cosy a couple of era's ago than they look in oblivion now. But they did build the imerial city also, so its not all dingy dark underground cities. I vote aylieds, although I adore the dwemer, I adore magic over metal

[WrathOfDeadguy]

The Ayleids were impressive, but the Dwemer had that steampunk thing going for them and that just makes them about twenty different kinds of awesome. I'm definitely gonna have to side with the Dwemer fans on this one; I'd rather explore their ancient halls and find some nifty gadgetry than spend hours on end looking for a few fancy crystals and a statue or two.

[Spartan Mage]

This is an extract from the imperial-library.info

 

The Dwemer (Dwarves), a free-thinking, reclusive Elven clan devoted to the secrets of science, engineering, and alchemy, established underground cities and communities in the mountain range (later the Velothi Mountains) separating modern Skyrim and Resdayn/Morrowind.The Dwemer of Tamriel, also known as the Dwarves, were a reclusive Elven Clan who lived in Morrowind during the first era. Although they had long bushy beards, they were not short, stubby Dwarves. They were a strain of Mer (Elves) and must be approached on their own terms to be understood.

For more information: The Annotated Anuad.

 

here's another extract

 

Over many years, the Ehlnofey of Tamriel became the Mer (Elves):

The Dwemer (the Deep Ones, sometimes called Dwarves)

The Chimer (the Changed Ones, who later became the Dunmer)

The Dunmer (the Dark or Cursed Ones, the Dark Elves)

The Bosmer (the Green or Forest Ones, the Wood Elves)

The Altmer (The Elder or High Ones, the High Elves). so the dwemer are dwarves

[Halororor]

I'm not saying that the ayleids were right in using slaves, but you must admit, that made them quite the opposition for any enemies. I wouldn't attack somebody with slaves without thinking twice first, especially not since they were masters at magic.

 

Underground foes who work to make a living for themselves is another story altogether.

[Skotte]

Call me crazy but I'd rather deal with the slaves than "play" with the Dwemer Toys :blink:

[IndorilTheGreat]

I'm not saying that the ayleids were right in using slaves, but you must admit, that made them quite the opposition for any enemies. I wouldn't attack somebody with slaves without thinking twice first, especially not since they were masters at magic.

 

Underground foes who work to make a living for themselves is another story altogether.

 

I kind of see what you are getting at... One would rather run away from a machine than risk getting blasted into Oblivion... :huh:

[ScreenXSurfer]

Masters of magic? Excuse me? What evidence even SUGGEST this? They summon a few Creepers to oversee the Human slave population. "Blasted into Oblivion" is probably the biggest %&$! said about them thus far.

 

To the above poster that said "So the Dwemer are dwarfs" is wrong. They are ELVEN in origin. Just like the Orcs are.

 

Lets put things side by side

Architecture

Aylieds: Underground stone living quarters that they themselves probably didn't even build, just showed the slaves where and how to dig up the ground and chop the stone.

Dwemer: Metal bases that, based on the technology and firepower of the given time, would shrug of any attack on it. While the catapults will crash through the stone fortresses of the aylieds (which it probably did). The big rock smacking against the metal based of the dwemer fortress would shatter and bounce off, leaving a dent as the only evidence of its strike.

 

History

Aylieds: Like most of the elves at the time, the Aylieds participated in the Night of Tears (I think thats what its called) where they blitzkrieged every human settlement at the time with only the Nords being prepared and fighting them off. This was a previously, highly peaceful human civilzation with their only offense was expanding their population too fast for Elven fecundity. We can presume, from the history of the Empire, that the Aylieds are the only race to have taken human slaves. We can also presume that it was the Aylieds that interbred with their human harems thus creating the Bretons meaning, the Aylieds as a gene didn't completely died out, but live in current era humanity as well. With Daedric worship and blood sacrifice of humans led to the eventual revolt. The "Queen of the Slaves" who was blessed by Talos eventually with her rebellion and Nordic volunteers toppled and exterminated the entire Aylied civilzation. So I guess the whole "Blasting into Oblivion" attacks on their foes didn't work, did it. I don't really recall any widespread magical enchantments over the land that the Aylieds have done.

 

Dwemer: The Dwemer migrated from the summerset isles to Morrowind in the Velothi mountains. They expanded their knowledge of the world by manipulating the environment to their needs, AKA science. They, as a species and not via machinery, fought and battled, and eventually drove off Nordic invaders. Later, when the Chimer arrived in Morrowind, they had many wars with them, using both machinery and their own talents. They created the Numidium, which the Empire later used to conquer almost all of Tamriel. Also they have mechanical guardians that use not only magicka (the centurion has shot a lightning bolt at me a few times) but have continued to stay activated for unknown centuries. Also, it was either the Dwemer of Vivec that did this, when the last Akivari invasion occured, the actually sunk the entire island wiping out the entire army then resurfaced it. Vivec or Dwemer. During their last engagement with the Chimer, they nearly achieved immortality as a race via manipulating the Heart of Lorkhan, a casted down god that, IIRC, created all life. They messed up and vanished. If they succeeded....well imagine a race where each individual was as powerful as Vivec or Amalexia hmm? The Dwemer have a magical fountain of power that can sustain their metal machines indefinatly. IIRC, a scholar tried to take one of the mechanical spiders out of Vvardenfell and it deactivated. When they neared the Island again it reactivated. However, as the game Tribunal shows, this power extends to Mournhold as well.

 

 

 

What I can figure on this is that.

1. Dwemer have more efficient Architecture. A single tall tower that has had countless architects to repair it does not defeat dozens of dozens mechanical forts with working machinery.

3. Dwemer are more experienced in War. Fighting, and defeating Skyrim where the Falmer, Dunmer, and Aylieds themselves have lost. And later, fighting dozens of wars with the Chimer.

4. Dwemer are more civilized. I consider the Aylieds being barbarians for their treatment of humanity.

5. Dwemer are more educated. Given their accomplishments with steam warriors, we can assume an individual Dwemer is far smarter than an Individual Ayleid. And the average modern era wizard can conjure of a skeleton to scare slaves into building. I doubt a modern architect could replicate the Dwemer ruins. I guess thats why there are architects studying dwemer ruins while Aylied ruins are left to the bandits.

 

 

Dwemer are better.