conquerer Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Hello fellow Nexusers. I have a simple request/suggestion. Is there any possible way to enforce modders to obey the tabs for their mods? Here's an example: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/18997. I'm sure that the Monster Wars mod is a good mod. HOWEVER, the modder: Ironman5000 uses the tabs horribly. Scroll down the list, how long does it take you to actually find the description part in the description tab? I had to scroll over half way down to even figure out wtf the mod does. I'm ok with 1 or 2 images and videos being used in the description tab as long as they are context appropriate, but the constant use of them as filler it just annoying. It gets in the way of quickly finding the information that you want. The Monster Wars mod isn't the only mod that does this, I've noticed that there are a lot of other mods that do this as well. http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/19180 Insanitys Dragonbane is another mod that makes it unnecessarily difficult to find important information. I really don't understand why people keep throwing these things into the description tab. There already IS a tab just for videos and images. Shouldn't these go into there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McclaudEagle Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 As far as I know, authors are entitled to put whatever they want in their mod description so long as it's legitimate. Sure, there is something known as "mod etiquette", but it's not something that is designed to be enforced. Some people do get annoyed that the description of the mod isn't the first thing, which is why most/all of my mods have their description first before anything else. However, it only took me about a second to scroll down the page to the mod's description, that's not exactly strenuous or time consuming. To actively enforce such a thing is not only ridiculous, but it's also a waste of the staff's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevenga Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I sympathize with your frustration, but this is really something that should be left up to the authors. And, as McclaudEagle said, involving the staff would not be a good use of the staff's limited time. Perhaps you could post a request in the mod's comments asking the author to update the description. The author might not even be aware that some users perceive the current layout as a problem. Many mods' comments are cluttered with user requests to include videos. It's entirely possible that a mod author who puts lots of videos in the description is just trying to anticipate his users' wishes. I've posted several accessibility requests for mod authors whose text was unreadable for me with my vision problems. And they have all responded quickly and courteously, usually updating their text to make it more accessible as I requested. Most of them hadn't even considered the effect of their formatting choices on people with vision problems, and they were surprised to learn about the issues. So, in my experience, at least, asking for a change often gets me the desired results and improves a mod author's understanding of how they can present their information. I know this might not be what you want to hear, and I really do sympathize. I hope you're able to come to an agreement with the mod authors whose pages aren't laid out as well as they could be. Please feel free to contact me if you'd like to discuss options for how you could contact the mod authors and ask them to change their descriptions. Best wishes,chevenga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetradite Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Having a page stuffed full of videos does my head in as well. But it is up to them at the end of the day. Like chevenga I really do sympathise with you, because I personally agree, but if people make their mod page that way and it puts me off bothering to download it, then so be it. My own page isn't as well set up as I'd like, because I just don't seem to find the energy to really go to town with proper formatting, so I'm sure I've annoyed someone too.... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conquerer Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 As far as I know, authors are entitled to put whatever they want in their mod description so long as it's legitimate. Sure, there is something known as "mod etiquette", but it's not something that is designed to be enforced. Some people do get annoyed that the description of the mod isn't the first thing, which is why most/all of my mods have their description first before anything else. However, it only took me about a second to scroll down the page to the mod's description, that's not exactly strenuous or time consuming. To actively enforce such a thing is not only ridiculous, but it's also a waste of the staff's time. There are many easy ways to prevent the abuse without using the staffs time. Limit the number of images used in the description. Remove the use of videos. Bring back downvotes. Divide up the description tab into sections, top section only accepts text and is explicitly state to include "Wtf is this mod about" the other lower sections can include images or whatever. Add a report issue of "Mod's purpose is concealed" in the report mod section. I'm sure that there are many MANY other ways to control this annoying issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McclaudEagle Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Yes, those could work, but why would Dark0ne want to go through all that hassle just because you're annoyed about having to do a 2 second scroll down the mod page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevenga Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 There are many easy ways to prevent the abuse without using the staffs time. Limit the number of images used in the description. Remove the use of videos. Bring back downvotes. Divide up the description tab into sections, top section only accepts text and is explicitly state to include "Wtf is this mod about" the other lower sections can include images or whatever. Add a report issue of "Mod's purpose is concealed" in the report mod section. I'm sure that there are many MANY other ways to control this annoying issue. :facepalm: Oh, and :wallbash:. Well, we tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetradite Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) ERROR 618 - The horse you are flogging is currently deceased. Sorry, sarcasm over. Even with the things you are suggesting: a- it wouldn't even entirely work (modders could still put whatever text they wanted to in the top section). b- would still take up staff time (both to implement the code to make the changes and to chase up the "mod purpose concealed" reports). c- if it bothers you that much, don't download and don't endorse. Or post in the comments that you feel the description could be improved. I hope that that is as close to a downvote as we're going to see, downvotes are just troll bait IMO. d- it's massively ironic to try to enforce such a rigid template standard on a site that is dedicated to hosting files that take our games away from such one-size fits all rigidity. Edited July 5, 2012 by tetradite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigy152 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Video embeds should really only be able to be put in video tab...hence why it has its own tab. Other than that, authors should be able to do what they like I suppose. Edit: Also just realised, some authors use images to post their descriptions of the mod itself. http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/822 is an example. So images for sure would need to stay for that reason alone. Edited July 5, 2012 by Prodigy152 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnarkiHunter Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Just like to mentioned that, they are some mods where the author has put up the entire description embedded in an image file. Would be nice if there was an actual portion of the text at the 'Description' page, rather than the later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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