Help with a random game stopping bug.

[rexx1888]

Hey Hi.

i recently decided to try going hog on the fallout 4 modding. Its a thing i knew existed, im patient and can google. And after 3 weeks, i got to a point where im comfortable doing stuff. I know what a merged patch is, a bashed patch. I can get Vortex to actually fiddle with my load order properly. Ive got merged plugins using mergeplugin down. Ive fiddled with the ini's till im blue. Im confrotable.

Unfortunately, what i dont have is a stable version of the game. and im not sure why. All the merged plugins got the big green from the program. Wrye and FO4edit are happy. Vortex doesnt complain. BUUUUT when i load a save, i get a crash two minutes later. I tried going through and replicating the bug, and then turning off plugins till i isolated the problem. That didnt work. It seemingly went away, and then came back the next time i turned my computer on.

Im at my wits end. If this was actual game dev, id have a crash log. The ability to actually see whats going on. I can reproduce the crash to my hearts content, but all that is is moving around for a minute. I dont actiavte anything, i dont shoot stuff. It can happen mid fight, mid meeting dogmeat. Doesnt matter. So, this is my final recourse. Load order from plugin text below. Note, if it doesnt have an asterisk, its because its in a merged plugin.

im at a loss folk. Any handy, non standard advice super appreciated :smile:

 

tldr: game crashes within a minute or two of loading a save, after the first time youve played that save. If you dont move, the game wont crash. Cannot work out what mod is causing it because there is nothing else explicitly clear about the crash.

 

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ImprovedBoS_FarHarbor.esp

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*RaiderPAChopShop.esp

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PWOFarHarbor.esp

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CROSS_GoreCrits_FarHarborPatch.esp

fortifyingfix_LM.esp

NanoArmor_AWKCR_AE.esp

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Radrose Usability - Empty Bottles.esp

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PWO_NukaWorld.esp

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Pack Attack - Nightstriker Patch.esp

PaladinBaileyRedRocket.esp

RAO - OWR patch.esp

RAO - True Storms patch.esp

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Radrose - Valdacil Patch - AA FusionCityRising.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - Armorsmith Extended.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - AtomicRadio.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - BTInteriors_Project.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - BetterCompanions.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - Campsite.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - CartographersMapMarkers Merged.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - Craftable Armor Size.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - Crossbow.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - EnclaveX02.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - FO4 NPCs Travel.esp

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Radrose - Valdacil Patch - HoloTime.esp

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Radrose - Valdacil Patch - NightstrikerCreatureMod.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - OWR.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - OWR2.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - OutcastsAndRemnants.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - SOTS.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - SalvageBeacons.esp

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Radrose - Valdacil Patch - SimSettlements.esp

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Radrose - Valdacil Patch - SlowTime.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - Snap'n Build.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - Synth Overhaul.esp

Radrose - Valdacil Patch - TrueStormsFO4.esp

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Radrose - Valdacil Patch - VotWMaster.esp

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Radrose - Valdacil Patch - visiblecompanionaffinity.esp

SuperMutantRedux_ArmorSmithExtended.esp

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RO-MPAM-Nuka.esp

SOTS_AWKCR_AS_Patch.esp

SuperMutantRedux VIS Patch.esp

Synth Overhaul - VIS Patch.esp

Thaylar Lighting 3.2 VTWO Patch.esp

ValdacilsItemSorting - Wearable Backpacks and Pouches TAGS.esp

*FO4Merged.esp

*Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[AeonsLegend]

Do I understand correctly that you've editted mods yourself? Perhaps isolating those mods in a separate save to test woulf be a good idea. Does the game crash without mods?

[rexx1888]

the only mod ive specifically edited was the ambience overhaul mod. i just changed its ambience volume setting using fo4edit.

the merged plugins i just used the program mergeplugins on. Most of them came up green straight away, and the rest were altered by the program with no input from me so i assume the changes werent particularly dramatic.

otherwise nope, no editing of the mods. im not that deep in the rabbit hole yet.

the game does run without mods. it was also a fresh install before i began. Sidenote, it frustrates me no end that fo4 doesnt have the ability to enable crash logs. Like, this would be so much easier if i could just see what the game is doing when it falls apart. Is it spawning something, or just having some wierd cell reset effect when i move around too far. pity that isnt a tool someone made yet.

[AeonsLegend]

Hm, I remember volume mods CTDing for me as well in the past. Could be nothing though, but you should try playing without the volume mods and see if that helps.

[jones177]

Hi

 

You can easily mod past the point that your hardware can handle.

 

My game is a good example.

 

Going by Fallout performance monitor, If my video card is running at 100% and an event occurs, CTD. I tested this by dropping the resolution and taking the pressure off the GPU.

 

Saves are not created equal. On the same game I have character saves that have next to no CTDs and other that are unplayable with CTDs. In my game some character saves are lucky others are not.

 

As your saves get older they require more resources. More power.

At the beginning of this year I replaced my i7 2600k with a i7 8700k. Saves that I started when the game came out that where unplayable with CTDs and stutter were playable again. The saves stop being playable at around level 80 and this year I brought these character saves up to around level 150. I won't be visiting these saves again until I do another CPU update.

 

A heavily modded Fallout 4 creates a lot of heat. I had to rethink my hardware purchases because of it. I now buy high end overclocking motherboards and cooling solutions.

 

Now that my modded Fallout 4 has forced me to use overclocking hardware I overclocked it. I am at the point now that my game need 5ghz on all cores to play smoothly. Basically no CTDs at 5ghz and a lot of CTDs at 4.7ghz.

 

If you are going to mod your game to the point of silly like I do, you will need to feed the beast.

 

Later

[AeonsLegend]

Interesting, my CPU never had issues with this game at all. It is now 3 years old and runs perfectly fine on 3.5 Ghz without the need to overclock (can go to 4.5)

[GrndZero]

I used to play FO4 a lot, 547 Hours, had tons of mods, tried all three mod organizers and have never had many problems. I recently purchased a new video card and figure it was time to download the game again and try it out in Ultra mode. I purchased a new RTX2070 and have thrown a couple other games at it and love the performance.

I am getting about the same thing you are OP, but this is in a brand new save. Mod list is very small, just to get things going. I used an alternate start mod and got to Sanctuary but I can't go more than about a minute and a half without just crashing. Its weird as I know exactly when its going to crash, game does a micro freeze and then frees up, as soon as I take like 3 steps, CTD. I have even disabled all mods and it still does the same thing.

Question to you OP, did you recently install a new Video Card?

RTX 2070 driver version 417.35

i7-4770 Haswell

16gig

SSD install of the game.

Win10 Home 64

 

 

****Edit***

I just fixed my issue. I decided to use Gefore Experience to see what it wanted to Optimize the game for, turns out to be either Boken Depth of Field or the Ambient Occlusion settings.

I changed the the DoF to Standard and Occlusion to Nvidia HBAO+ and I am no longer getting any game freezes.

[jones177]

I used to play FO4 a lot, 547 Hours, had tons of mods, tried all three mod organizers and have never had many problems. I recently purchased a new video card and figure it was time to download the game again and try it out in Ultra mode. I purchased a new RTX2070 and have thrown a couple other games at it and love the performance.

I am getting about the same thing you are OP, but this is in a brand new save. Mod list is very small, just to get things going. I used an alternate start mod and got to Sanctuary but I can't go more than about a minute and a half without just crashing. Its weird as I know exactly when its going to crash, game does a micro freeze and then frees up, as soon as I take like 3 steps, CTD. I have even disabled all mods and it still does the same thing.

Question to you OP, did you recently install a new Video Card?

RTX 2070 driver version 417.35

i7-4770 Haswell

16gig

SSD install of the game.

Win10 Home 64

 

 

****Edit***

I just fixed my issue. I decided to use Gefore Experience to see what it wanted to Optimize the game for, turns out to be either Boken Depth of Field or the Ambient Occlusion settings.

I changed the the DoF to Standard and Occlusion to Nvidia HBAO+ and I am no longer getting any game freezes.

 

The RTX drivers don't seem to like Fallout 4. My game shimmers with my RTX 2080 ti. To fix it I have to use FXAA in the driver and TAA in the game setup. At 4k this kills the gains I got from the upgrade from a GTX 1080 ti. The fix was from 2015 post and back then was caused by the new 1000 series drivers. My 1000 series issues were low frame rate and stutter. That was worse than what I am getting now.

 

Use Fallout Performance Monitor to see what your GPU is doing. As I said above, if my GPU hits 100% I get a CTDs and that have been since RTX came out.

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting, my CPU never had issues with this game at all. It is now 3 years old and runs perfectly fine on 3.5 Ghz without the need to overclock (can go to 4.5)

 

All our games are different.

I add lots of enemy NPCs. Instead of having 2 or 3 flying bugs I have 10 to 30. Instead of 4 or 5 Gunners I have 20 to 30. Goules have the highest count.

I use a mod that adds 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, NPCs for every one the game produces. I usually set it to 5. So if the game spawns 5 raider the mod adds X 5, so 25 raiders. It has a randomizing feature so the groups very.

 

If you want to see how many NPCs your rig can handle try https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/17626

[GrndZero]

 

The RTX drivers don't seem to like Fallout 4. My game shimmers with my RTX 2080 ti. To fix it I have to use FXAA in the driver and TAA in the game setup. At 4k this kills the gains I got from the upgrade from a GTX 1080 ti. The fix was from 2015 post and back then was caused by the new 1000 series drivers. My 1000 series issues were low frame rate and stutter. That was worse than what I am getting now.

 

Use Fallout Performance Monitor to see what your GPU is doing. As I said above, if my GPU hits 100% I get a CTDs and that have been since RTX came out.

 

 

 

 

As stated in my Edit, I have fixed my problem. My game is only using like 2.5 gigs of memory of the 2070 and have no issues after I changed the DoF and Occulsion. Solid 60fps with no issue so far. I must not be having the same problems you were with your drivers. The 3D rating while playing the game is only hitting around 20%.