DevilleTGR Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 I haven't played Skyrim since "LOOT" and Vortex became a thing and am now wondering which of those two I should use for my load order. What I was able to gather so far is that both have the ability to sort mods, but that's about it. Is there any difference between the two, if so, what are they? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThelebKaarna Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Short answer is you'll want to use Vortex to sort your load order and LOOT (outside of Vortex) to show any errors, mods in need of cleaning, etc. As you get into modding with Vortex, you'll inevitably set LO "Rules" within Vortex itself. If you attempt to sort your LO with LOOT directly (by bypassing Vortex), it won't be aware of the LO rules you've set up and as a result you'll likely get a different (and inaccurate) LO outcome. And while Vortex has LOOT's sorting functionality built into it, it ultimately lacks LOOTS ability to give specifics on errors. Therefore, you need LOOT installed as well as Vortex. What I usually do when I go to sort my LO is first run LOOT (outside of Vortex) and check for errors. Clean any mods it reports that are in need of cleaning, etc. Once done, close LOOT. Then sort my LO in Vortex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilleTGR Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 Alright, thanks a lot for the explanation. Exactly what I needed to know. And for the additional information below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugustaCalidia Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Use Vortex instead of LOOT, because Vortex has built in all of LOOT's functionality. Vortex not only uses LOOT internally to sort, but Vortex also uses LOOT to issue various warnings, e.g., dirty edits, missing masters, missing patches, etc. You'll find the warnings listed in the "Flags" column on the Vortex plugins page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThelebKaarna Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Actually, you don't need to run LOOT at all. Vortex not only uses LOOT internally to sort, but Vortex also issues LOOT warnings, e.g., dirty edits, missing masters, missing patches, etc. You'll find the warnings listed in the "Flags" column on the Vortex plugins page.I wonder if I'm missing something? All I've ever seen in the "Flags" column is a 'Blue Bell' icon that when hovered-over or clicked on just says "LOOT Warnings". I always have to launch LOOT itself to find out specifically what the warnings are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugustaCalidia Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Actually, you don't need to run LOOT at all. Vortex not only uses LOOT internally to sort, but Vortex also issues LOOT warnings, e.g., dirty edits, missing masters, missing patches, etc. You'll find the warnings listed in the "Flags" column on the Vortex plugins page.I wonder if I'm missing something? All I've ever seen in the "Flags" column is a 'Blue Bell' icon that when hovered-over or clicked on just says "LOOT Warnings". I always have to launch LOOT itself to find out specifically what the warnings are. When I double-click on the orange bell in the "Flags" column, Vortex will detail the LOOT warning in the case of missing masters and of possibly missing patches. In the case of dirty edits (icon that looks like a spray cleaning bottle), Vortex simply states the mod needs cleaning without specifying, e.g., number of ITM's. These are the critical LOOT warnings that can substantially impact a game, if ignored. Having said that, I recognize and appreciate that LOOT contains a vast trove of information not available in Vortex. That information can be of great importance to technically proficient mod users and mod creators who know how to use it. But those folk constitute a rather small subset of the modding community. For most people, Vortex will provide all the LOOT information they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThelebKaarna Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Actually, you don't need to run LOOT at all. Vortex not only uses LOOT internally to sort, but Vortex also issues LOOT warnings, e.g., dirty edits, missing masters, missing patches, etc. You'll find the warnings listed in the "Flags" column on the Vortex plugins page.I wonder if I'm missing something? All I've ever seen in the "Flags" column is a 'Blue Bell' icon that when hovered-over or clicked on just says "LOOT Warnings". I always have to launch LOOT itself to find out specifically what the warnings are. When I double-click on the orange bell in the "Flags" column, Vortex will detail the LOOT warning in the case of missing masters and possibly missing patches. In the case of dirty edits (icon that looks like a spray cleaning bottle), Vortex simply states the mod needs cleaning without specifying, e.g., number of ITM's. These are the critical LOOT warnings that can substantially impact a game, if ignored. Having said that, I recognize and appreciate that LOOT contains a vast trove of information not available in Vortex. That information can be of great importance to technically proficient mod users and mod creators who know how to use it. But those folk constitute a rather small subset of the modding community. For most people, Vortex will provide all the LOOT information they need. Wow! Thanks for that Augusta! I somehow never double-clicked the Bell Icon to reveal the addition info *smacks forehead*. You gotta love Vortex! It's functionality continues to impress me=) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThelebKaarna Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Just wanted to post back to say I've run into an instance where Vortex's internal LOOT didn't reveal an error that external LOOT did. Attempting to run RLO with Luminosity gave the following error in LOOT under Luminosity's line: This plugin is incompatible with "RLO - Interiors.esp", but both files are present. In Vortex there was no "Bell" icon or any other indication of any error whatsoever. It seems referencing LOOT outside of Vortex is still useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameFury15 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just wanted to post back to say I've run into an instance where Vortex didn't reveal an error that LOOT did. Attempting to run RLO with Luminosity gave the following error in LOOT under Luminosity's line: This plugin is incompatible with "RLO - Interiors.esp", but both files are present. In Vortex there was no "Bell" icon or any other indication of any error whatsoever. It seems running LOOT outside of Vortex is still useful.this is the reason even with allt he bells and whistles of Vortex, I run everything seperate as well. I have LOOT, Vortex, xEdit, Wrye Bash and FNIS, and every load etc I run them all to ensure everything is good and ready :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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