ExCheesecake Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I am new to mods, I used FOMM to install a bunch of mods and now my game crashes right before I reach the main menu. I used FNVEdit as many people seem to recommend, I let it upload everything like normal and everything went fine till the end, 2 massive strings of errors came from 2 mods when FNVEdit attempted to build reference info. I have posted the section of FNVEdit that displays the errors... (there are a few irrelevant lines of text where reference info was built properly for other mods...) [00:52] Background Loader: [NVWillow.esp] Building reference info.[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord PKED[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POBA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POEA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCTX 58544353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POCA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Errors were found in: FollowersWillowFollowPlayerFollowDrinkSSFull [PACK:4F043764][00:53] Background Loader: Contained subrecords: EDID PKDT PLDT PSDT PTDT CTDA CTDA CTDA IDLF IDLC IDLT IDLA PKED CNAM POBA INAM SCHR TNAM POEA INAM SCHR TNAM POCA INAM SCHR TNAM PKED POBA INAM SCHR TNAM POEA INAM SCHR SCTX TNAM POCA INAM SCHR TNAM [00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord PKED[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POBA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POEA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCTX 58544353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POCA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Errors were found in: FollowersWillowFollowPlayerFollowDrinkWillowsCoffee [PACK:4F049F13][00:53] Background Loader: Contained subrecords: EDID PKDT PLDT PSDT PTDT CTDA CTDA CTDA IDLF IDLC IDLT IDLA PKED CNAM POBA INAM SCHR TNAM POEA INAM SCHR TNAM POCA INAM SCHR TNAM PKED POBA INAM SCHR TNAM POEA INAM SCHR SCTX TNAM POCA INAM SCHR TNAM [00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord PKED[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POBA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POEA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POCA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Errors were found in: FollowersWillowFollowPlayerFollowDrinkWater [PACK:4F049F14][00:53] Background Loader: Contained subrecords: EDID PKDT PLDT PSDT PTDT CTDA CTDA CTDA IDLF IDLC IDLT IDLA PKED CNAM POBA INAM SCHR TNAM POEA INAM SCHR TNAM POCA INAM SCHR TNAM PKED POBA INAM SCHR TNAM POEA INAM SCHR TNAM POCA INAM SCHR TNAM [00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord PKED[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POBA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POEA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCTX 58544353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POCA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Errors were found in: FollowersWillowFollowPlayerFollowDrinkNukaCola [PACK:4F049F15][00:53] Background Loader: Contained subrecords: EDID PKDT PLDT PSDT PTDT CTDA CTDA CTDA IDLF IDLC IDLT IDLA PKED CNAM POBA INAM SCHR TNAM POEA INAM SCHR TNAM POCA INAM SCHR TNAM PKED POBA INAM SCHR TNAM POEA INAM SCHR SCTX TNAM POCA INAM SCHR TNAM [00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord PKED[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POBA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POEA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCTX 58544353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord POCA[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord INAM 4D414E49[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SCHR 52484353[00:53] Background Loader: Error: record PACK contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM 4D414E54[00:53] Background Loader: Errors were found in: FollowersWillowFollowPlayerFollowEatGeckoVegPocket [PACK:4F0A8C51][00:53] Background Loader: Contained subrecords: EDID PKDT PLDT PSDT PTDT CTDA CTDA CTDA IDLF IDLC IDLT IDLA PKED CNAM POBA INAM SCHR TNAM POEA INAM SCHR TNAM POCA INAM SCHR TNAM PKED POBA INAM SCHR TNAM POEA INAM SCHR SCTX TNAM POCA INAM SCHR TNAM [00:53] Background Loader: [Mo'Willow.esp] Building reference info.[00:53] Background Loader: [unlimitedCompanions.esp] Building reference info.[00:53] Background Loader: [realistic headshots.esp] Building reference info.[00:53] Background Loader: [WeaponModsExpanded.esp] Building reference info.[00:53] Background Loader: [improved Sound FX - WMX - Weapon Sharing Fix.esp] Building reference info.[00:53] Background Loader: [WMX-AWOP Patch.esp] Building reference info.[00:53] Background Loader: [WMX-ModernWeapons.esp] Building reference info.[00:53] Background Loader: [WMX-DeadMoney.esp] Building reference info.[00:53] Background Loader: [WMX-HonestHearts.esp] Building reference info.[00:53] Background Loader: [WMX-OldWorldBlues.esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: [WMX-LonesomeRoad.esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: [WMX-GunRunnersArsenal.esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: [improved Sound FX - WMX - Merged Major DLCs.esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: [improved Sound FX - WMX - GRA Sharing Fix.esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: [WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: [WMX-MW-GRA.esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: [Mo'Guns_WMX.esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: [Mo'Guns_WMX_DLC.esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: [AWOP-BOE-WMX.esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: [EVE FNV.esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record ARMO contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DEST 54534544[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record ARMO contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DSTD 44545344[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record ARMO contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DMDL 4C444D44[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record ARMO contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DSTF 46545344[00:54] Background Loader: Errors were found in: WJSarmorBoneMain "Scorched Corpse" [ARMO:6300A76D][00:54] Background Loader: Contained subrecords: EDID OBND FULL EITM BMDT MODL MOD2 ICON DEST DSTD DMDL DSTF BIPL ETYP DATA DNAM BNAM TNAM [00:54] Background Loader: Error: record ARMO contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DEST 54534544[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record ARMO contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DSTD 44545344[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record ARMO contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DMDL 4C444D44[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record ARMO contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DSTF 46545344[00:54] Background Loader: Errors were found in: WJSarmorBoneMainP "Grim Fandango" [ARMO:6300AA4E][00:54] Background Loader: Contained subrecords: EDID OBND FULL EITM BMDT MODL MOD2 ICON DEST DSTD DMDL DSTF REPL BIPL ETYP DATA DNAM BNAM TNAM [00:54] Background Loader: Error: record LIGH contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DEST 54534544[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record LIGH contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DSTD 44545344[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record LIGH contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DSTF 46545344[00:54] Background Loader: Errors were found in: WJSDrainedMFCell [LIGH:63011A56][00:54] Background Loader: Contained subrecords: EDID OBND MODL SCRI DEST DSTD DSTF DATA FNAM [00:54] Background Loader: [EVE FNV-[GRA Patch for EVE 1.3].esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: [WMX-EVE.esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: [improved Sound FX - EVE.esp] Building reference info.[00:54] Background Loader: [Vurt's WFO.esp] Building reference info. I assume these are the cause of my crashing right before I reach the main menu... IF you know how to fix this, I would be very grateful...or if you think this isn't the cause of my CTD right before the main menu then please tell me the reason for these crashes... thanks a bunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExCheesecake Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 Please help me figure out this problem with the CTD's...here is my current load order... [X] FalloutNV.esm[X] DeadMoney.esm[X] HonestHearts.esm[X] OldWorldBlues.esm[X] LonesomeRoad.esm[X] GunRunnersArsenal.esm[ ] ClassicPack.esm[ ] MercenaryPack.esm[ ] TribalPack.esm[X] CaravanPack.esm[X] Ambient Temperature.esm[X] Advanced Recon Tech.esm[X] Caliber.esm[X] HonestHearts-CaliberX.esm[X] CaliberXhonesthearts.esm[X] CaliberXgunrunners.esm[X] Kaya47NF.esm[X] Mo'.esm[X] AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm[X] MoMod.esm[X] Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm[X] Project Nevada - Core.esm[X] Project Nevada - Equipment.esm[X] WMVM.esm[X] wsex.esm[X] aHUD.esm[X] iHUD.esm[X] Lings.esm[X] Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp[X] Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp[X] RHKGilbertCompanion.esm[X] Centered 3rd Person Camera.esp[X] HUD Extended.esp[X] HUD Extended - Ambient Temperature.esp[X] Readius_NV.esp[X] The Weapon Mod Menu.esp[X] AWOP-MoMod.esp[X] MoMod-Aliens.esp[X] MoMod-Terminators.esp[X] populatedcasino.esp[X] UHNV.esp[X] UHNV-Dead Money.esp[X] UHNV-Honest Hearts.esp[X] UHNV-OWB.esp[X] UHNV-Lonesome Road.esp[X] PerkEveryLevel.esp[X] Mo'Guns.esp[X] Mo'Gals.esp[X] Mo'Suite.esp[X] Mo'IPP.esp[X] Mo'haveAmmoDepot.esp[X] Mo'DLC.esp[X] CONELRAD 640-1240.esp[X] Improved Sound FX.esp[X] Improved Sound FX - Weapon Sharing Fix.esp[X] Improved Sound FX - GRA.esp[X] Improved Sound FX - Merged Major DLCs.esp[X] Improved Sound FX - Project Nevada.esp[X] shogo_laser_katana.esp[X] FreeplayafterMQNVv1_6.esp[X] NewVegasBounties.esp[X] wsexInnuendoAnims.esp[X] wsexInnuendoNPCs.esp[X] Animated Prostitution.esp[X] CompanionDe-Equip.esp[X] Tag Skills Improved.esp[X] Advanced Recon Gear.esp[X] Advanced Recon Tech.esp[X] FO3WeaponsRestoration.esp[X] Improved Throwing1.esp[X] Advanced Recon Gear - Project Nevada.esp[X] bzArmour.esp[X] Persona_and_Secret.esp[X] Tailor Maid Black Retex - NV.esp[X] LingsPrettyThings.esp[X] AWOPDeadMoney.esp[X] AWOP-BOEWeaponPatch.esp[X] AWOP-BOE-DLC.esp[X] AWOPCaliberXAmmoPatch.esp[X] Realistic_Repair_NV.esp[X] Follower Home Marker.esp[X] Light Step ED-E.esp[X] NVWillow.esp[X] Mo'Willow.esp[X] UnlimitedCompanions.esp[X] realistic headshots.esp[X] WeaponModsExpanded.esp[X] Improved Sound FX - WMX - Weapon Sharing Fix.esp[X] WMX-AWOP Patch.esp[X] WMX-ModernWeapons.esp[X] WMX-DeadMoney.esp[X] WMX-HonestHearts.esp[X] WMX-OldWorldBlues.esp[X] WMX-LonesomeRoad.esp[X] WMX-GunRunnersArsenal.esp[X] Improved Sound FX - WMX - Merged Major DLCs.esp[X] Improved Sound FX - WMX - GRA Sharing Fix.esp[X] WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp[X] WMX-MW-GRA.esp[X] Mo'Guns_WMX.esp[X] Mo'Guns_WMX_DLC.esp[X] AWOP-BOE-WMX.esp[X] EVE FNV.esp[X] EVE FNV-[GRA Patch for EVE 1.3].esp[X] WMX-EVE.esp[X] Improved Sound FX - EVE.esp[X] Vurt's WFO.esp[X] Fellout.esp[X] friendofnightforfellout.esp[X] Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp[X] ILO - PipBoy Light.esp[X] ILO - A World of Pain.esp[X] Depth of View IE.esp[X] Depth of View IE Blur.esp[X] RealSmokes.esp[X] Companion Sandbox Mode3.esp[X] jokristinascloset.esp[X] FetishLingerieSetNV.esp[X] FetishFishnetNV.esp[X] Black Puppet Armor for FoNV.esp please let me know if you have any other questions... I try to provide answers.. again please help me sort this out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethjunkie Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 The errors FNVEdit is reporting for Willow aren't really errors (and it explains this in her readme) and the "errors" for EVE look to be of the same kind so that's not your problem. I'm not familiar with many of your mods but it sounds like one of them is missing a master or maybe you have an outdated patch in there somewhere. Did you use BOSS to sort your load order? Check on all of your compatibility patches to make sure you have the correct ones and also you'll want to remove Mo' Willow as it's outdated and no longer supported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExCheesecake Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) Sorry I took a while to reply... Oh... that's good news and bad news. I now know that those "errors" weren't actually errors, but now that they aren't the problem, I have to go back to step one and figure out what the problem is... Yes, I used BOSS to sort my load order, and then I moved a few mods BOSS didn't recognize into what I THINK were the proper positions... Sorry again but I'm going to be a bit lost when it comes to double check masters and compatibility patches... should I use FNVEdit? thanks for the thing about Mo' willow if you could help and point out anymore patches/mods you know are in the wrong spot are outdated... please let me know... I guess I will try and check the masters now.. thanks HEY, just unchecked MO' willow patch in FOMM, I got super close to the main menu (literally right before the text fades in) before I CTD'd so I guess you're right, its just outdated stuff and compatibility stuff... I would love it if you could help me through getting rid of all the bad patches and stuff!!! Edited July 27, 2012 by ExCheesecake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExCheesecake Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 Might of found the problem... Like the dumb ass I am, I installed project Nevada without the patches for DLCs, EVE, and WMX.... Downloading now, will install and see what happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthetic Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 hi excheesecake... u REALY need basic knowledge about installing mods... i said before that is not a good idea "a bunch of mods installing" ithout testing, so i have try to help u 2-3-4 times? ...is not helpfull if u "bugfixing" wrong builds. so u dont want realy help i think... because u didnt noticed any tips. installing compatibly patches for eve wmx didnt fix the ctd problem i bet... ;) i forced u again to fresh reinstall the game... and DONT add a bunch of mods without playing/testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExCheesecake Posted July 28, 2012 Author Share Posted July 28, 2012 Yeah, it didn't fix it.... ok, I do a fresh install and then I'll add my mods a few at a time... btw just one more question: once I do a clean install and then open FOMM, I will still be able to access, all my original mods in the package manager right, because it is annoying to have to add every FOMOD to FOMM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthetic Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 (edited) yes if u used this feature and not deleting the saved fomod files from fomm \ modsave folder. take sure u clean up the game data directory before install. and make a vanilla backup from the data folder, then u can easy rewise without reinstalling. Edited July 28, 2012 by CYNTHETIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nivea Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Your clearly missing a master file, you have a mod that is dependent on a mod that you have not installed (such as a patch for a mod you do not have). You should slow down and make sure you read all the readme, they will more then likely provide you with links and information to any mods they require. I do not know most the mods on your load order, so I can not just point to one and say its the issue sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthetic Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 that is why we only add one mod and testing... cheesecake has installed many mods in a row... so we don´t know where the bugs are. loadorder fixing is the easy things here... o_O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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