SFBryan18 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Maybe bugged, but if paying such a small fine for an assassination attempt on the Emperor isn't considered unrealistic, then I don't know what is. It allows you to get away with murder because it's a game, so with this logic, the entire story of Ulfric just walking away is ridiculous and all attempts to try to make sense of it need to end. Had a real man walked into a town and killed a high king, he would have had to fight his way out, or he wouldn't have left. Unless, of course, we want to argue that the combat was fair and the guards all respected this, the way Bethesda intended it to be. In that case, Ulfric can claim his crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proingy747 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 My friends used to think the Stormcloaks were the "Good guys" in a way because they thought the stormcloak cause was honorable when all it does is just send the empire into one heck of a tangle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky999 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Without Skyrim, the Empire may not be able to defeat the Aldmeri Dominion, and Skyrim by itself certainly won't be able to. Skyrim has the Dragonborn. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFBryan18 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 My friends used to think the Stormcloaks were the "Good guys" in a way because they thought the stormcloak cause was honorable when all it does is just send the empire into one heck of a tangle. This is a scapegoat argument. It is accusing your neighbors of all your problems. Why should the people of Skyrim have to keep the Empire strong? It's like Iraq blaming it's problems of Kuwait since Kuwait wants to be an independant nation. If Iraq lost a war, woiuld you say, "It's because Kuwait would not stay a part of Iraq, so it's their fault." No. Skyrim doesn't have to fight for the Empire if they don't want to, and if it makes the Empire weaker, then it's the Empires own fault for not respecting the people of Skyrim enough to keep them happy. The Stormcloaks are blamed for problems that were actually caused by the Thalmor, so if anyone is evil, it's them. The Stormcloaks are just fighting a war that the Empire has failed to win. The war against the ban of Talos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luzburg Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Without Skyrim, the Empire may not be able to defeat the Aldmeri Dominion, and Skyrim by itself certainly won't be able to. Skyrim has the Dragonborn. :thumbsup: The Dragonborn can call at least two dragons to his side too.Maybe more if we presume Odahviin will presume Lordship over most of Alduins old crew. Maybe even more if he killed Paarthunax and prevented him trying to make dragons peaceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartersj Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 My friends used to think the Stormcloaks were the "Good guys" in a way because they thought the stormcloak cause was honorable when all it does is just send the empire into one heck of a tangle. This is a scapegoat argument. It is accusing your neighbors of all your problems. Why should the people of Skyrim have to keep the Empire strong? It's like Iraq blaming it's problems of Kuwait since Kuwait wants to be an independant nation. If Iraq lost a war, woiuld you say, "It's because Kuwait would not stay a part of Iraq, so it's their fault." No. Skyrim doesn't have to fight for the Empire if they don't want to, and if it makes the Empire weaker, then it's the Empires own fault for not respecting the people of Skyrim enough to keep them happy. The Stormcloaks are blamed for problems that were actually caused by the Thalmor, so if anyone is evil, it's them. The Stormcloaks are just fighting a war that the Empire has failed to win. The war against the ban of Talos. That's an utterly ridiculous over-generalization.The Thalmor are not the problem either, it's the Dominion that's the true problem, the Thalmor are just a small part. The Empire never enforced the White-Gold Concordat's Talos ban. It was the Stormcloak's (read: Ulfric's) fault that the Dominion began to look more closely at the Empire's internal affairs. Many around Skyrim mention at some point or another in random dialogue that they were able to worship Talos freely before Ulfric began publicly decrying the concordat and it's unfair ban of Talos worship. So yes, it was their fault. It's also laughable that you could possibly think the war is all about Talos. The Great War was a war of aggression from the Dominion, attempting to destroy the Empire. Admittedly, a large part of the war was about Talos worship (the Dominion really wants revenge on Talos for his destruction of the first Aldmeri Dominion), but not all. Even though they succeeded in banning Talos worship, the Dominion will still attack the Empire in the future. The Empire wasn't so concerned about the Talos ban as the sword-point tactic the Aldmeri used against them. An empire simply does not submit to another's arrogant demands without at least resisting greatly. As I have mentioned several times, the Empire will make things right by reopening the war with the Dominion, and winning this time. They were unprepared for the first war, and Titus Mede II was unaware of their poor military state at the start of the Great War. The Stormcloaks have no hope of defeating the Dominion alone, with, or without the Dragonborn. No continents are going to ally themselves with others against the Dominion, they will each hope the Aldmeri will leave them alone, vainly, and then be crushed one by one. Following the paths of previous games, the Dragonborn may very well not play a significant role in the Civil War, only the Dragon Crisis. Bethesda usually has seperate people for each main quest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papadoz Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I'm new to this game,never play the prev elder scroll, so I dont know if tiber septim aka Talos is god or just extraordinary human,on my 1st char, I decide I;m not sided with stormcloack or empire coz I think they are both not worth to fight for.ulfric just a man with ambition, and empire just pathetic coward. and then I think..I have dark brotherhood,thieves guild, the companions,the blades (if they're ever rise again), and ohdaving on my side, arc rmage of collage of winterhold,thane of skyrim..I think I could take empire and stormcloaks ^_^ and be the emperor myself just like tiber septim.btw do you guys read book called the real barenziah? on 1 of it, there part of tiber septim have a baby with barenziah but he kill the baby coz it will ruin his reputation, for me..the man who killed unborn child doesn't deserve to be a god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relativelybest Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 (edited) My friends used to think the Stormcloaks were the "Good guys" in a way because they thought the stormcloak cause was honorable when all it does is just send the empire into one heck of a tangle. This is a scapegoat argument. It is accusing your neighbors of all your problems. Why should the people of Skyrim have to keep the Empire strong? It's like Iraq blaming it's problems of Kuwait since Kuwait wants to be an independant nation. If Iraq lost a war, woiuld you say, "It's because Kuwait would not stay a part of Iraq, so it's their fault." No. Skyrim doesn't have to fight for the Empire if they don't want to, and if it makes the Empire weaker, then it's the Empires own fault for not respecting the people of Skyrim enough to keep them happy. The Stormcloaks are blamed for problems that were actually caused by the Thalmor, so if anyone is evil, it's them. The Stormcloaks are just fighting a war that the Empire has failed to win. The war against the ban of Talos. I don't think it's a matter of blaming Skyrim for the Empire's problems, but rather that you can't blame the Empire for wanting to keep Skyrim. No empire would voliuntarily let go of an important provice under any circumstances, and absolutely not in a time of crisis. So, I can see why the Stormcloaks don't consider the Empire crumbling to be their problem, but you also can't expect the Empire to just accept their secession. It comes down to wether you think a free Skyrim is more important than a strong Empire in the long run, or vice versa. Edited August 13, 2012 by Relativelybest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFBryan18 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 @Relativelybest, I agree with you on that. This is why you can play one side, and then in your next game you can join the other, because it's just about loyalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinros Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 the dominion is using the strategy divide and conquer its the reason why I go with the imperials I first joined the stormcloaks but after the siege of whiterun I deleted the character and went the imperial route felt much more "right" to me. Plus talking to some of the nord npcs they don't want to go back to the old days since back then the various jarls were warring with each other and killing each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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