ffe3214 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) Hi folks.i think i found an explanation for the vampirelords at volkihar getting hostile to the player after being turned into a vampire and how mods affect this issue..at first i don't use custom races and i know about the setrace commad, it doesn't help..the problem is, there is a vanilla bug that makes a npc named rargal thrallmaster, and also two other npcs (look here at the bottom of the site http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim_talk:Bloodline) hostile for some reason (i have no idea why), if they "see" you turn into vampirelord-form. this also happens on the xbox, so its not related to any mods or custom races. and if one of these npcs is getting hostile, the rest of the vampires is joining the fight..this seems to be affected by mods altering sneak values, in my case path of shadows. when turning into a vampire lord during harkons tutorial, these npcs are able to detect the transformation from the other rooms (because of altered detection range), without mod they can't. i can see them become hostile on the compass when looking towards the door while transforming the first time. an when they once became hostile, they stay hostile, and attack on sight as soon as the player leaves the room, as well as pulling every other vampire into th fight.so, if i play through this part with pos enabled, everyone is attacking me after the tutorial, without the mod, they stay friendly. as a little test i removed the gmst-records from the pathofshadows.esp with tesvsnip, and i was also able to play through this part with no issues. so, disabling sneak mods for the time of the tutorial should help the vampires getting hostile to the player, not turning into vl-form in volkihar after the tutorial also does (until this is fixed by bethesda or someone else)i don't know if i'm right, but this theory explains everything happening in my game. can somebody confirm this? Edited August 9, 2012 by ffe3214 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satorinu Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Hi folks.i think i found an explanation for the vampirelords at volkihar getting hostile to the player after being turned into a vampire and how mods affect this issue..at first i don't use custom races and i know about the setrace commad, it doesn't help..the problem is, there is a vanilla bug that makes a npc named rargal thrallmaster, and also two other npcs (look here at the bottom of the site http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim_talk:Bloodline) hostile for some reason (i have no idea why), if they "see" you turn into vampirelord-form. this also happens on the xbox, so its not related to any mods or custom races. and if one of these npcs is getting hostile, the rest of the vampires is joining the fight..this seems to be affected by mods altering sneak values, in my case path of shadows. when turning into a vampire lord during harkons tutorial, these npcs are able to detect the transformation from the other rooms (because of altered detection range), without mod they can't. i can see them become hostile on the compass when looking towards the door while transforming the first time. an when they once became hostile, they stay hostile, and attack on sight as soon as the player leaves the room, as well as pulling every other vampire into th fight.so, if i play through this part with pos enabled, everyone is attacking me after the tutorial, without the mod, they stay friendly. as a little test i removed the gmst-records from the pathofshadows.esp with tesvsnip, and i was also able to play through this part with no issues. so, disabling sneak mods for the time of the tutorial should help the vampires getting hostile to the player, not turning into vl-form in volkihar after the tutorial also does (until this is fixed by bethesda or someone else)i don't know if i'm right, but this theory explains everything happening in my game. can somebody confirm this? Confirmed, without a doubt. Sneak/Detection alterations are the cause. Basically cast invis on myself and transformed, the invis wore of about 10 seconds after the transformation was complete; followed the tutorial regardless and reverted form - wasn't attacked as I went out into the main hall. When otherwise I would have been toasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solongchu Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I had the same problem and it turned out to be a mod called ReVVamp.It changes it so your stronger when fed instead of starving and it also makes you hated when fed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erinaea Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Hi folks.i think i found an explanation for the vampirelords at volkihar getting hostile to the player after being turned into a vampire and how mods affect this issue..at first i don't use custom races and i know about the setrace commad, it doesn't help..the problem is, there is a vanilla bug that makes a npc named rargal thrallmaster, and also two other npcs (look here at the bottom of the site http://www.uesp.net/..._talk:Bloodline) hostile for some reason (i have no idea why), if they "see" you turn into vampirelord-form. this also happens on the xbox, so its not related to any mods or custom races. and if one of these npcs is getting hostile, the rest of the vampires is joining the fight..this seems to be affected by mods altering sneak values, in my case path of shadows. when turning into a vampire lord during harkons tutorial, these npcs are able to detect the transformation from the other rooms (because of altered detection range), without mod they can't. i can see them become hostile on the compass when looking towards the door while transforming the first time. an when they once became hostile, they stay hostile, and attack on sight as soon as the player leaves the room, as well as pulling every other vampire into th fight.so, if i play through this part with pos enabled, everyone is attacking me after the tutorial, without the mod, they stay friendly. as a little test i removed the gmst-records from the pathofshadows.esp with tesvsnip, and i was also able to play through this part with no issues. so, disabling sneak mods for the time of the tutorial should help the vampires getting hostile to the player, not turning into vl-form in volkihar after the tutorial also does (until this is fixed by bethesda or someone else)i don't know if i'm right, but this theory explains everything happening in my game. can somebody confirm this? Worked for me. Thank you so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffe3214 Posted August 10, 2012 Author Share Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) Thx for testing, guys.. @ Satorinuand also very much thx for telling other peoplethe more people know, the sooner someone knowing more about the game engine than me can provide a fix (still hoping bethesda will do so) @ Solongchuit's still possible that other mods interfere with this part in different ways..i just wanted to point out this particular issue Edited August 10, 2012 by ffe3214 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted4126025User Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) i don't have any sneak mod just an assasin and it happened but went a way when i went outside then came back in edit: think it might be any perk tree edits? i have a better magic mod and no prerequeste perk mods oncould that be it? Edited August 16, 2012 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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