Where shoud certain Mods in load order GO ? Some Tutorial for Manual Load Order ?

[MilanKokyCZ]

Hi there im looking for some tutorial on manual Load Order like Where certain types of mods shoud go I dont want to use loot anymore because it does terrible job in sorting in 2019 so i rather sort my mods manually im jsut not sure about some mods. So far im think im finish with my mod list and i also had to put my fallower mod at bottom because i had a mod Imperious Races of Skyrim - With Beliaveble Carry Wegiht and it did not work when i had fallower on top of this mod so i put them all down here is my mod list again please no loot just some tutorial thanks :)

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

254 FE 0 UHDAP - MusicHQ.esp

254 FE 1 UHDAP - en0.esp

254 FE 2 UHDAP - en1.esp

254 FE 3 UHDAP - en2.esp

254 FE 4 UHDAP - en3.esp

254 FE 5 UHDAP - en4.esp

5 5 FISS.esp

6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

7 7 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

8 8 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm

9 9 Campfire.esm

10 a Falskaar.esm

11 b ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

12 c TKChildren.esm

254 FE 6 AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl

13 d AHZmoreHUD.esp

14 e UIExtensions.esp

15 f RaceMenu.esp

16 10 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

17 11 SkyUI_SE.esp

18 12 AMatterOfTime.esp

19 13 SkyHUD.esp

20 14 icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp

21 15 EasyWheel-AIO.esp

22 16 Toggle Compass.esp

254 FE 7 ImmersiveAnimatedLooting - 1stPEnabled.esp

254 FE 8 ImmersiveAnimatedLooting.esp

23 17 VioLens SE.esp

24 18 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

25 19 DBM_ISC_Patch.esp

254 FE 9 Qw_ISC_USSEP Patch.esp

26 1a Unofficial Skyrim SE Fixes.esp

27 1b Footprints.esp

28 1c SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

29 1d 360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp

30 1e FNIS.esp

31 1f HothFollower.esp

32 20 BenDoonSSE.esp

33 21 0Kaidan.esp

34 22 Inigo.esp

35 23 Lucien.esp

36 24 zMirai.esp

37 25 EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp

38 26 Recorder Follower Base.esp

39 27 Recorder Follower Patch.esp

40 28 Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp

254 FE a Inigo_CACO_Patch.esp

41 29 DBM_CACO_Patch.esp

254 FE b CACO_Falskaar_Patch.esp

42 2a Frostfall.esp

43 2b Frostfall Vampire Fix.esp

44 2c Frostfall_Seasonal_Temps_patch.esp

45 2d 1nivWICCloaks.esp

46 2e Hunterborn.esp

47 2f Hunterborn - Leather Tanning.esp

48 30 Hunterborn - Soups and Stews.esp

49 31 Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp

254 FE c Hunterborn_CACO-SE_Patch.esp

50 32 ScrimshawExpanded.esp

51 33 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

52 34 RNAD_LotD_Patch.esp

DBM_RND_Patch.esp

53 35 RNAD_CACO_Patch.esp

54 36 RNAD_FF_Patch.esp

55 37 PassiveGiants-Dragons.esp

56 38 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

57 39 Vigor - Combat and Injuries (SE).esp

58 3a CACO_Vigor_Campfire.esp

59 3b StaminaMatters.esp

60 3c Realistic Damage.esp

61 3d 3PCOFull.esp

62 3e Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp

63 3f DeadlyDragons.esp

64 40 PumpingIron.esp

65 41 SpellResearch.esp

66 42 BurdensOfSkyrim.esp

67 43 Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp

68 44 MoonlightTalesMCM.esp

69 45 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp

70 46 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

71 47 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

254 FE d CACO_Ordinator_Patch.esp

72 48 20 More Perk Points.esp

73 49 Imperious - Believable Carry Weight.esp

74 4a Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

75 4b Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp

76 4c dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

77 4d dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

78 4e Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

79 4f Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp

80 50 Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp

254 FE e Wintersun - LotD Patch.esp

254 FE f Hunterborn - Wintersun Patch.esp

254 FE 10 Wintersun - USSEP Patch.esp

81 51 Time Passes.esp

82 52 skyBirds_SSE.esp

83 53 EBT - skyBirds Patch.esp

84 54 Trade & Barter.esp

254 FE 11 Trade and Barter - LotD Patch.esp

85 55 SimpleTaxes.esp

86 56 Point The Way.esp

87 57 AK- Clothe Dead NPCs.esp

88 58 GoToBed.esp

254 FE 12 GoToBed-Hunterborn-patch.esp

89 59 Lumberjacked.esp

90 5a LFGCustom.esp

91 5b TrainAndStudy.esp

92 5c AHZBetterDGEntranceSE.esp

93 5d fallentreebridgesSSE.esp

94 5e Provincial Courier Service.esp

95 5f CFTO.esp

96 60 Skyrim Better Roads - All In One - Merged.esp

97 61 Missives.esp

98 62 nwsFollowerFramework.esp

99 63 Immersive Horses.esp

100 64 DBM_ImmersiveHorses_Patch.esp

101 65 blackreachrailroadnew.esp

102 66 Helgen Reborn.esp

103 67 DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp

104 68 QaxeWinterholdRebuild.esp

105 69 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

106 6a DBM_CWIPatch.esp

107 6b CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp

108 6c ForgottenCity.esp

109 6d MoonAndStar_MAS.esp

110 6e MoonAndStar_ImmersionPatch.esp

111 6f Lucien-MoonandStar-Patch.esp

112 70 DBM_MAS_Patch.esp

113 71 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

114 72 WendigoFactionSkillRequirements.esp

115 73 TheChoiceIsYours.esp

116 74 BCS_TCIY_Patch.esp

254 FE 13 TCIY_Wintersun_Patch.esp

254 FE 14 InnoLostAlt.esp

117 75 NPC Outfit Corrections.esp

118 76 imp_helm_legend.esp

119 77 OpM_imp_helm_DB.esp

120 78 Cathedral Concept - Weapons Armor and Clothing.esp

121 79 Unique Uniques.esp

254 FE 15 Hammerfell Armory SE.esp

122 7a Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp

123 7b Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp

124 7c Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp

125 7d Lore Weapon Expansion.esp

126 7e QwibGuardArmor.esp

127 7f Brigandage.esp

128 80 CrownHelmetsRedux.esp

129 81 FaceMasksOfSkyrim.esp

130 82 ColovianNobleClothes.esp

131 83 ImperialFineClothes.esp

132 84 Separate Hoods and More.esp

133 85 Volkihar Knight.esp

134 86 JS Armored Circlets SE.esp

135 87 BosmerArmorMATY743.esp

136 88 Ursine Armour - Non HDT.esp

137 89 ArcherCuirassUltimate.esp

138 8a nordicrangerarmor.esp

139 8b Wandererarmor.esp

140 8c WetandCold.esp

141 8d DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

254 FE 16 Qw_DeadlySpellImpacts_ISC Patch.esp

142 8e WondersofWeather.esp

143 8f TrueStormsSE.esp

144 90 ELFXEnhancer.esp

145 91 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

146 92 Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp

147 93 CWIELnFXSEPatch.esp

148 94 AHZBetterDGEntranceSE-ELFXPatch.esp

149 95 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-L2.esp

150 96 ClimatesOfTamriel-Falskaar.esp

151 97 TrueStorms_Wet&Cold_Patch.esp

152 98 Wet&Cold - WaterFix - Addon.esp

153 99 Lightweight Water Overhaul.esp

154 9a TKChildren.esp

155 9b WayshrinesIFT.esp

254 FE 17 WayshrinesIFTFalskaar.esp

156 9c Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp

157 9d Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

158 9e SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp

159 9f CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp

160 a0 WICO - Immersive Character.esp

161 a1 WICO - Immersive People.esp

254 FE 18 Qw_WICO_USSEP Patch.esp

162 a2 WICO - USSEP Compatible Patch.esp

254 FE 19 MissingEZsFixed.esp

163 a3 thepeopleofskyrim.esp

164 a4 Rebalanced Leveled Lists.esp

165 a5 Scarcity SE - Less Loot Mod.esp

166 a6 Scarcity SE - 4x Merchant Item Rarity.esp

167 a7 Scarcity SE - 6x Loot Rarity.esp

168 a8 rll_scarcity_patch.esp

[Mercury71]

If you dont know where to put a plugin in the loadorder.... how do you know LOOT is doing a terrible job?

 

Hard to make a general sort tutorial when different mods combination gives different load order.

 

The basic groups of LOOT is what you need to follow and then check with xEdit.

 

You said please no LOOT but it is hard to avoid it... that is why all major mod list tutorials include it.

 

This is my finishing line with Vortex.

 

How i do it with over 200 active .esp:

 

1. Reed description off EVERY mod i have installed for directions. Also read comment sections.

2. Run LOOT

3. Create groups if needed (i find default groups in Vortex enough)

3. Move some mods from default group to specific groups if needed according to 1.

Run LOOT

4. Make rules for certain mods according to 1.

Run LOOT

5. Check with SSEEdit and make rule or move to group if conflicting or in a way i dont like.

3. Make Bashed patch (tweaks and leveled list)

4. Make Smashed patch

5. Generate terrainlods with xLodgen.

Generate trees and objects lod with DynDOLOD.

6. Run FNIS

7. Run BetrhINI

6. Play game and have fun. :)

[COMBATFUN]

In fact loot only fails in certain situations concerning npc changes and plugin merging. Even pros use loot, maybe with some manual adjustement. So there is no reason to not use loot.