Desperately need MOD compatibility expert

[ual002]

Preface: With only Skyrim, update, Dawngaurd and the Bethsda texture packs (With ENB and SKSE) I can run video settings maxed out for normal period of time while traveling. (Did not test beyond 30 mins). Slowly added alt start and quality world map and could not reproduce error within 30 mins. Have not tested any more of the mods 1 by 1 yet. Looking for some insight before I continue. I'm running a quad core 3.0 gig proc, 8 gigs ram, and dual SLI 560 cards.

 

1. MAIN ISSUE: I'm am having consistent CTDs in exterior cells while traveling mainly, very frequently. Seems like possibly cell boarders but I cannot be sure. Occasionally I will get a stuck at a quickload that was made shortly before a CTD. NOTE: At this time I can usually lower my video setting and it will load (which doesn't make sense). I'm almost sure to have other errors shortly thereafter though, like for example immediate inventory access will CTD which isn't usually the cause of the first main CTD in an exterior.

 

2. MINOR ISSUE I CANT TRACE: My mounted combat is fine without the mods but when all are on I get strange behavior. I am unsure if it is a minor issue or related to main issue. EXPLANATION: Mounted power attacks with melee weapons stick my characters arm out until I sheath the weapon. On regular swings, they only seem to move characters on either side of the horse from me when the weapon model strikes them. However, I can register a hit toward the head of the horse.

 

 

Load order below. Installed with NMM overwriting any applicable compatibility patches in correct order. Bashed patch for some minor plugins with Wyre Bash. Used BOSS to give me load order. Im aware there may be some conflicts here. Ive tried to extrapolate as much as I could from each persons site. I'm bound to have missed something.

 

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

3rdEraWeaponsMoS.esm

Imp's More Complex Needs.esm

TravellersOfSkyrim.esm

JSwords.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

portal2mod.esp

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

chopping_block_wood_fires.esp

BardSoundsMalukah.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons&Interiors.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp

BabettesFeastBalanced.esp

BooksBooksBooks.esp

Catsofskyrim.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

CookingExpanded.esp

CookingExpanded - IMCN.esp

Craftable Torches.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

Dogsofskyrim.esp

DragonSoulsToPerks.esp

ExpandedJewelryCrafting.esp

FishingInSkyrim.esp

JewelCraft.esp

JK Crafting Breakdown.esp

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - default.esp

LBInteriorDecorating.esp

SabreFurBag.esp

TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp

SKSE Hotkeys.esp

Black Mage Armor.esp

Cloaks.esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

Magicka Sabers.esp

3rdEraWeapMoS-lvlList.esp

3rdEraWeapMoS-rareCraft.esp

Smithing Perks Overhaul - Balanced.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul.esp

Equip more Rings (2).esp

Lawrens RNG Guards.esp

More Salt Please.esp

CampingKitNorthernRanger.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

IMCN - Overrides.esp

dovahkiinrelax.esp

Enchanting Freedom.esp

The Dance of Death.esp

BatTravel.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

TravellersOfSkyrim - UFO Compatibility Patch.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

AllWarPaintRaces.esp

minemapmarkers.esp

dD-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Avatar of Baltazar.esp

bome-divorce.esp

Calavalcave.esp

IMCN FeedPatch.esp

slightly reduced npc greetings.esp

SMUT.esp

sOy's Pocket Necromancy.esp

UAL002_solitude_smelter01.esp

 

 

 

I came here as a last result as I understand it no ones responsibility to fix this but me. I am at the point of disinterest. Ready to move on to another game or venture out into sunlight. Thanks in advance, and thanks for all the great mods out there everyone.

 

EDIT: Added mention of using ENB, added mention of ballpark hardware specs

Edited August 28, 2012 by ual002

[Georgiegril]

I am not a mod order expert. I do make a mean peach pie, but I digress.

It seems to me, though, that the closest you can get to a mod load order expert is the BOSS list. After using BOSS, and manually placing any mods BOSS doesn't recognize, and if you are still having issues, I would look, at least for a bit, at your hardware. Crashes in game and at loading can be mod conflicts, but they can also be your RAM or VRAM becoming overloaded, which can happen when running a lot of mods at once. Have you checked out what is going on with your computer just before the crash using something like CPU-Z? Especially since you say that lowering your graphics prevents certain crashes, it seems very possible to me that you simply are overburdening your RAM. There are quite a few ways to lower RAM and still have a nice looking game, have you checked out the NVidia tweak guide? Another one I like is RookieNoob's guide, because it addresses tweaks for both high and low end computers and discusses their effects on both VRAM and RAM.

 

I am sorry you are feeling so frustrated. I think fresh air is always nice. But I hope that you can find a solution and enjoy Skyrim again!

 

Edited for links (doh!)

Edited August 28, 2012 by Georgiegril

[ual002]

I am not a mod order expert. I do make a mean peach pie, but I digress.

It seems to me, though, that the closest you can get to a mod load order expert is the BOSS list. After using BOSS, and manually placing any mods BOSS doesn't recognize, and if you are still having issues, I would look, at least for a bit, at your hardware. Crashes in game and at loading can be mod conflicts, but they can also be your RAM or VRAM becoming overloaded, which can happen when running a lot of mods at once. Have you checked out what is going on with your computer just before the crash using something like CPU-Z? Especially since you say that lowering your graphics prevents certain crashes, it seems very possible to me that you simply are overburdening your RAM. There are quite a few ways to lower RAM and still have a nice looking game, have you checked out the NVidia tweak guide? Another one I like is RookieNoob's guide, because it addresses tweaks for both high and low end computers and discusses their effects on both VRAM and RAM.

 

I am sorry you are feeling so frustrated. I think fresh air is always nice. But I hope that you can find a solution and enjoy Skyrim again!

 

Edited for links (doh!)

 

 

Thanks for the reply. I honestly discounted the hardware because I'm running a quad core 3.0 gig proc, 8 gigs ram, and dual SLI 560 cards.

[ual002]

I am not a mod order expert. I do make a mean peach pie, but I digress.

It seems to me, though, that the closest you can get to a mod load order expert is the BOSS list. After using BOSS, and manually placing any mods BOSS doesn't recognize, and if you are still having issues, I would look, at least for a bit, at your hardware. Crashes in game and at loading can be mod conflicts, but they can also be your RAM or VRAM becoming overloaded, which can happen when running a lot of mods at once. Have you checked out what is going on with your computer just before the crash using something like CPU-Z? Especially since you say that lowering your graphics prevents certain crashes, it seems very possible to me that you simply are overburdening your RAM. There are quite a few ways to lower RAM and still have a nice looking game, have you checked out the NVidia tweak guide? Another one I like is RookieNoob's guide, because it addresses tweaks for both high and low end computers and discusses their effects on both VRAM and RAM.

 

I am sorry you are feeling so frustrated. I think fresh air is always nice. But I hope that you can find a solution and enjoy Skyrim again!

 

Edited for links (doh!)

 

 

Thanks for the reply. I honestly discounted the hardware because I'm running a quad core 3.0 gig proc, 8 gigs ram, and dual SLI 560 cards.

 

Hard ware is not the issue. I can play indefinitely with no mods.

[Georgiegril]

EDIT (the entire post, I had to arm wrestle with the editor! :confused:)

 

Actually, being able to play without mods does not rule out hardware. Playing with mods adds to the load of both CPU and GPU. I was not suggesting that your hardware was inherently faulty, but rather that the combination of mods and game settings caused your hardware to become overburdened. One way to check this is to run something like CPU-Z in game, while you are playing with mods, and then take a look at what happens prior to the crash. Do you get low fps, or spikes, or is your temperature climbing? Is it running at 100% of the GPU? things like that.

 

Also have you tried without SLI? Some people have had issues with that.

If you have recently updated your drivers but used Windows driver update or Steam driver update, the problem could be in a corrupt driver update. As of the 296 drivers, Nvidia requires a manual deletion of the old drivers followed by a manual installation--the old way no longer works because new files do not completely overwrite the old.. See here if you thin that might be applicable to you.

 

If you completely rule out hardware, have tried lower settings and other graphics tweaks (like using your graphics card AA rather than the game's--makes for better quality and performance.) then I would say it's back to old-fashioned mod troubleshooting. Or fresh air.

[ual002]

EDIT (the entire post, I had to arm wrestle with the editor! :confused:)

 

Actually, being able to play without mods does not rule out hardware. Playing with mods adds to the load of both CPU and GPU. I was not suggesting that your hardware was inherently faulty, but rather that the combination of mods and game settings caused your hardware to become overburdened. One way to check this is to run something like CPU-Z in game, while you are playing with mods, and then take a look at what happens prior to the crash. Do you get low fps, or spikes, or is your temperature climbing? Is it running at 100% of the GPU? things like that.

 

Also have you tried without SLI? Some people have had issues with that.

If you have recently updated your drivers but used Windows driver update or Steam driver update, the problem could be in a corrupt driver update. As of the 296 drivers, Nvidia requires a manual deletion of the old drivers followed by a manual installation--the old way no longer works because new files do not completely overwrite the old.. See here if you thin that might be applicable to you.

 

If you completely rule out hardware, have tried lower settings and other graphics tweaks (like using your graphics card AA rather than the game's--makes for better quality and performance.) then I would say it's back to old-fashioned mod troubleshooting. Or fresh air.

 

It might be relevant to say with all the mods on, I can turn all the video setting down all the way and still get the CTD. However, I will look into the drivers thing. Also SLI has no bearing (I will turn off again when I get home as a test) as when the crashes started I went to look at SLI and realized I never turned SLI after my recent format. I turned it on and got blue screen flashing until I reseated my bridge. The flashing stopped and video resumes as normal but the CTDs persist.

[asdgora]

You don't have Skyrim.esm in the load order you posted. Why is that?

Run BOSS and post the log it generates.

[ual002]

You don't have Skyrim.esm in the load order you posted. Why is that?

Run BOSS and post the log it generates.

 

 

Its there. I just copied this list from the Plugins.txt file. I dont think skyrim.esm is ever listed in there. I saw two other guys go back and forth about this in another forum. But yeah, its checked and running. For sure otherwise Im sure it wouldn't even load a save game.

 

Good eyes though.

 

EDIT: To clarify, based on BOSS results, I updated the plugins.txt info manually. Before manually imputing the data, Skyrim.esm was still not listed.

Edited August 28, 2012 by ual002

[Georgiegril]

I have skyrim.esm in my plugins, but it is grey rather than black and cannot be unchecked. Maybe it also cannot be copied?

 

On another note: did you happen to change your ugridstoload? This could cause crashes in exterior travel, if it was set too high, or if you tried to roll back without starting over.

Other than that, I would try completely uninstalling any mods that spawn outside or create new scripts outside, like the dogs/cats.travellers/lanterns/climates mods. See if it works without any of them and then add back one at a time.

[ual002]

I have skyrim.esm in my plugins, but it is grey rather than black and cannot be unchecked. Maybe it also cannot be copied?

 

On another note: did you happen to change your ugridstoload? This could cause crashes in exterior travel, if it was set too high, or if you tried to roll back without starting over.

Other than that, I would try completely uninstalling any mods that spawn outside or create new scripts outside, like the dogs/cats.travellers/lanterns/climates mods. See if it works without any of them and then add back one at a time.

 

I didn't have that line is my .ini but I read that about ugridstoload somewhere. I set it to whatever someone suggested, does this override what I set with the slider on the launcher? I have since moved my sliders during the testing phase and I'm sure it changed it.

 

Also, yes, I guess lanterns and climates have to go next :(