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[Dan3345]

colourwheel please provide evidence of Romney saying he wants to get rid of planned parenthood. He has been saying for years he want's it de-funded but never destroyed.

 

And again, I am just going to reiterate. Abortion is not what should matter to you right now. Do you realize that our government spends 4 billion a day? That's money we do not have. Money that we owe. Of all our federal debt we owe 5 trillion to ourselves. The rest of it is owed to foreign countries, companies/whoever holds our bonds. China holds a great portion of them. I am not one for fearing China as they need us as much as we need them but I mean c'mon.

 

Democrats love to point at Ryan and say "Here is the man pushing Grandma over the cliff, the one who will end medicare." The irony is if we do not cut these entitlements they will cease to exist. I think at last count medicare was set to run out of money by 2031. Democrats ignore this completely.

 

Please check your priorities. We are at the cusp of the greatest financial catastrophe since the great depression, and your worried about whether or not you can kill an unborn fetus.

[colourwheel]

colourwheel please provide evidence of Romney saying he wants to get rid of planned parenthood. He has been saying for years he want's it de-funded but never destroyed.

 

And again, I am just going to reiterate. Abortion is not what should matter to you right now. Do you realize that our government spends 4 billion a day? That's money we do not have. Money that we owe. Of all our federal debt we owe 5 trillion to ourselves. The rest of it is owed to foreign countries, companies/whoever holds our bonds. China holds a great portion of them. I am not one for fearing China as they need us as much as we need them but I mean c'mon.

 

Democrats love to point at Ryan and say "Here is the man pushing Grandma over the cliff, the one who will end medicare." The irony is if we do not cut these entitlements they will cease to exist. I think at last count medicare was set to run out of money by 2031. Democrats ignore this completely.

 

Please check your priorities. We are at the cusp of the greatest financial catastrophe since the great depression, and your worried about whether or not you can kill an unborn fetus.

 

@Dan3345

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/mitt-romney-planned-parenthood_n_1347383.html

 

Mitt Romney clearly stated he wants to stop federal funding of Planned Parenthood which is basically 90% the organization gets from the federal government to keep it alive. Planned Parenthood would basicly no longer exist if it was completely privatized.

 

It's just like the auto-industry Romney claims to have wanted to go through bankruptcy saying "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt." at the time he said this there was no money for any private company or anyone to re-subsidized the auto industry. The auto industry would have just died if the government didnt take control. The government had to take control of the situation or jobs from making plastics for the cars to auto dealers would have been out of jobs all the way to the core of the auto companies.

 

You talk about debt when mitt romney wants to increase our military budget which the military isnt even asking for. This alone would add another trillion dollars to our dept.

 

Mitt Romney talks like he is a good business experienced man yet his only real business experience is dismantling US companies then outsorcing the jobs to china. You know why jobs are shipped to china? Because the companies get away hiring and paying female workers $1 an hour in china. I have a friend who worked for a company that bain capital destoryed when mitt romney was still head of the company. She lost her job but also had to train the people who took over her job only for it to be shipped over to india by bane capital.

 

I have more reasons to not trust mitt Romney than to trust him.

Edited October 27, 2012 by colourwheel

[Dan3345]

I think you are forgetting, I am not backing Romney. My entire point in both of my posts is that what you are worried about or have put the most emphasis on is irrelevant right now. Or it should be. Not forever, but for now, we have bigger problems.

 

And in my opinion the auto industry should have gone bankrupt! This is what happens in a capitalist system. In a socialist system the government picks the winners and losers. The government starting under Bush decided it was going to pick who wins and loses. The industry should have filed for bankruptcy. People would have been laid off, massive restructuring would have occurred, but in the end the companies would remain and the government would not have stomped all over the principles it was founded on. Capitalism is not always pretty, but it is sure as hell better than the alternatives.

 

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill.

[colourwheel]

@Dan3345

 

The government saving the auto industry was a good idea. The government is making money from the auto industry as we speak. At the time when its was dying no one had any interest in saving it and it would have destroyed the country with the amount of people who would have lost jobs.

 

Just because the government took control of the situation does not make this Socialism.

 

Also aspects about Socialist philosophy are good but the US is not becoming a Socialist country. just like any type of system there are eventually draw backs. A completely Capitalistic nation would fail eventually too. If USA was completely Capitalistic eventaully the top 1% wealthist people of the nation would own over 90% of its wealth if you look at historical evidence right now the top 1% own over 50% of the nations wealth and it keep growing.

 

I know you like to quote Winston Churchill on Socialism but the same can be said about the nagative aspects of pure Capitalism too.

Edited October 27, 2012 by colourwheel

[Beriallord]

The success or failure of Planned Parenthood should be determined by the private sector, like any other company. Just because they quit getting money from the government doesn't mean they would close the doors. They would just have to restructure their organization and make it a company. I don't have a problem with abortion, because I'm not a religious person, but I do got a problem with the government funding things that can be done by the private sector. I don't like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac either. I think they should be de-funded too. They are part of the reason we are in this whole mess.

 

Oh and the auto companies? Ford didn't take a single bailout check, and they recovered fine and are doing far better than GM or Daimler-Chrysler. What happens when things get hard again, should we just keep bailing them out? Or will it get to a point where enough is finally enough. And if they can't run a responsible business, like everyone else they deserve to fail.

Edited October 27, 2012 by Beriallord

[Dan3345]

@Dan3345

I know you like to quote Winston Churchill on Socialism but the same can be said about the nagative aspects of pure Capitalism too.

 

I'm just going to pretend this doesn't sound as condescending as it looks. How could you know what I like based on one quote?

 

A capitalist society with minimal regulations could potentially avoid the situation you are describing. The problem is when the government expands beyond its reach as ours has. You say the country would have collapsed if the auto bailout had not occurred. What will happen when nobody buys our bonds?

 

And again, you are dodging what I have been saying. Your priorities appear to be very misplaced. I don't care who you vote for, Obama, Romney, Rosesanne Bar, Gary Johnson..It is irrelevant to me. The point I am making and have restated in every response to you that with the serious problems we face, abortion, and whatever other entitlement you feel you deserve are completely irrelevant. The fact is, in the next fifty years we will be faced with either allowing our country to fall, or salvaging as much as we possibly can.

 

@Beriallord - I could not agree more. In my mind the ideal way for something like planned parenthood to operate would be as a corporation in the private sector. Competition naturally can almost always make it better. Sure there are examples of the contrary (Standard oil) but with the regulations we have in place today its very unlikely anything like standard oil will ever happen again.

Edited October 27, 2012 by Dan3345

[colourwheel]

Oh and the auto companies? Ford didn't take a single bailout check, and they recovered fine and are doing far better than GM or Daimler-Chrysler.

 

Ford Motor Company never filed for bankruptcy.

 

but...

 

They did receive $5.9 billion in low-cost government loans in 2009 to overhaul its factories and bring out more fuel-efficient technology. doing this Ford managed to tiptoe past bankruptcy. So their "bailout check" was actually a loan from the government. No bank at that time would loan a company that much money. if Ford looked to the private sector instead they would have eventually filed bankruptcy.

 

 

@Dan3345

 

My priorities are fine. I am not for any political party that tries to repress womens rights. You talk of "serious problems" how is pay equity for women in america less important than anything else? How is the liberty of women being able to make choices for their own body over the government telling them what should be done any less important? What would it really matter to me to be living in a country with a strong economy if I am being payed less than males doing the same work?

 

People don't realize stopping federal funding for programs like planned parenthood would just destroy it. How anyone could think a program could survive in the private sector when 90% of its funding is federal. Restructure their organization and make it like a company would result in it just liquidating the company for how much its worth. the program wouldn't exist anymore.

 

Trying to privatize any government funded program would mostly come down to its being completely dismantled. You look at the evidence in history of programs that were mainly federally funded that tend to not last long. Its just like a owner opening a new restraunt. typically unless the restruant is successful it will just close down. They don't restructure their organization. They just fire their employees then liquidate the business.

Edited October 27, 2012 by colourwheel

[Dan3345]

Because planned parenthood shouldn't even exist in the first place. Where is it outlined in the constitution that woman will be guaranteed birth control?

 

Anyways, its nothing on you, but I don't want to be in this debate anymore. Gets my blood boiling a little too high for safety. So respectfully I wish you good luck in future debates and have nice evening. :thumbsup:

[colourwheel]

Because planned parenthood shouldn't even exist in the first place. Where is it outlined in the constitution that woman will be guaranteed birth control?

 

 

Same arguement can be made here...

 

Where is it outlined in the constitution that woman shouldn't be guaranteed birth control?

Edited October 27, 2012 by colourwheel

[juderodney]

Because planned parenthood shouldn't even exist in the first place. Where is it outlined in the constitution that woman will be guaranteed birth control?

 

 

Same arguement can be made here...

 

Where is it outlined in the constitution that woman shouldn't be guaranteed birth control?

 

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

U.S. Constitution, Tenth Amendment

 

According to this, such policies should be up for state legislation, not federal.