Meet your meat

[Marxist ßastard]

Right, Darnoc... You do that... Go out naked into some jungle, with dung smeared on your face, and go find some corpse that about five predators -- ten times faster and stronger than you, each -- are feasting on, then proceed to run up to the primal banquet, shouting all the way and waving around a flaming branch... If you survive and the creatures show some pity and back off, the principal word there being "if," stick your head into the creature's intestines, not paying any attention to the flies and maggots, and dig in! Oh, and let's not forget unpacking your laptop afterwards (a Mac user, right?) and typing up a status report for the Darwin Awards...

 

...After all, it's what nature intended -- it's what we were designed to do -- why deny your instincts?

[Ancalagon]

True Darnoc, we are omnivores.

 

Why else would we have incisors, canines and molars? I think animals should be treated fairly (as in no torutre) but I still few many of them as a food. I mean, come on, PeTA goes so far as to equate the slaughter houses of chickens and other livestock with the Nazi Death Camps.

 

Morally, the attempt to draw similarities between the Holocaust and the slaughter of Chickens is just wrong on so many levels.

 

MyDogsTale, honestly, if you want good credit and beliveability then do not post PeTA's website as a source of information. Given, those videos are horrible and I agree that that sort of thing should never happen to an animal, but I cannot just jump up and say "Yes that's terrible, I'm going to stop eating meat". Truth be told, that sort of thing is definatley not commonplace. That's we have the FDA, and other federal agencies to keep an eye out on that sort of thing.

 

Also, I do not think the meat industry slits the throats of it's animals. Point being, that would cause the animal to panic (or go into shock or whatever) and make the meat quality tough. I assure you, the deaths of the animals are quick and merciful. What other purpose would these animals contribute towards society, other than food? I do not believe cows, chickens and pigs and what have you are sentient as we. They exhibit traits and behavior that is solely instinctual, or primitive. I doubt very much that if we were to stop all slaughter of animals for food, that said animals would proceed to develop a highly advanced society, let alone be able to coexist amongst other animals.

[Zmid]

Also, I do not think the meat industry slits the throats of it's animals. Point being, that would cause the animal to panic (or go into shock or whatever) and make the meat quality tough. I assure you, the deaths of the animals are quick and merciful.

This is correct - in most places, a bolt gun is used. This fires a retractable bolt into the animal's head, which gives a clean, quick death. In fact, most often, the animal is dead before it hits the floor.

[MyDogsTale]

Firstly, I posted the PeTa video to give a perspective of what im talking about.

 

Secondly, It is the only video online that i know of that provides such information (i only got an internett connection 2-3 months ago)

 

Thirdly, i live in Norway not he US, i am not aware of your state agancies that protect animals, but there are non such agencies here, the farmers are obliged by law to let the animals walk freely for two months but they just have to write a request letter to the state and then the animals are stuck in their cages.

 

Forthly, i've seen alot of movies and read reports like that from all parts of the world. And in general slow, inhumane death by machines, there are alot of = money, and these fact are true for some of slaughterhouses...some not all...but it's still something that has to be dealt with

 

Fifthly, i am using this as a project in social classes, the subject is much about morality and normality. The "Thats it! no more meat for me" vote option is mainly there to give me the chance of make a statistic, without it the statistc would be more or less useless....the day that actually would have been choosen would be the day when i parade down 5th avenue wearing leather clothes and a huge friggin fur coat along with 5 puppet masters controlling 5 skinned sheep <_<

 

What other purpose would these animals contribute towards society, other than food? I do not believe cows, chickens and pigs and what have you are sentient as we. They exhibit traits and behavior that is solely instinctual, or primitive. I doubt very much that if we were to stop all slaughter of animals for food, that said animals would proceed to develop a highly advanced society, let alone be able to coexist amongst other animals

 

 

Personally don't see this as a reason for killing them...but that's just me :)

 

Also, I do not think the meat industry slits the throats of it's animals. Point being, that would cause the animal to panic (or go into shock or whatever) and make the meat quality tough. I assure you, the deaths of the animals are quick and merciful

 

Slit throat: easy, cheap and the meat will get sold anyway as ex: burgers (grinded, who would feel the tension in the meat there?) etc etc

humane ways are not allways the dominant ways in the meat business

 

Bolt gun: In many cases yes but not in all...but yes it's a soooooo much better alternative i'll agree to that.

 

PS:This post might sound a little pissed off, but im not :) , i rearly hold a grudge for more than 5 seconds...and a grudge didn't appear when i read the last few post's.

 

Pps: As you might see im a percistant male without a father :bleh: , im not setteling for " most of the ways are pretty much painless falalalala, let's leave it at that", nope, It is probably looked upon as good beliving, but that's me in a nutshell...Good beliving (the joys of anarchism yeah...)

[Zmid]

Firstly, I posted the PeTa video to give a perspective of what im talking about.

In my experience, such videos show the worst of the slaughterhouses, so don't make the mistake of thinking this is typical of slaughterhouses.

 

Secondly, It is the only video online that i know of that provides such information (i only got an internett connection 2-3 months ago)

 

I know of a few, but they are all either done by animal rights groups and/or done as part of an investigation into slaughterhouses which treat their animals inhumanely, so do not give a true indication of what properly run slaughterhouses are like.

 

Thirdly, i live in Norway not he US, i am not aware of your state agancies that protect animals, but there are non such agencies here, the farmers are obliged by law to let the animals walk freely for two months but they just have to write a request letter to the state and then the animals are stuck in their cages.

 

Well, I can't speak for the US, but there are certain standards that must be kept here in the UK, and if anyone is found to breach them, they can face large fines and/or imprisonment.

 

Forthly, i've seen alot of movies and read reports like that from all parts of the world. And in general slow, inhumane death by machines, there are alot of = money, and these fact are true for some of slaughterhouses...some not all...but it's still something that has to be dealt with

 

Agreed. Most slaughterhouses, though, are well run and treat the animals humanely. It's just that the few who don't is the ones that get the headlines, so to speak.

 

Fifthly, i am using this as a project in social classes, the subject is much about morality and normality. The "Thats it! no more meat for me" vote option is mainly there to give me the chance of make a statistic, without it the statistc would be more or less useless....the day that actually would have been choosen would be the day when i parade down 5th avenue wearing leather clothes and a huge friggin fur coat along with 5 puppet masters controlling 5 skinned sheep <_<

 

Can't see that happening anytime soon. :lol:

 

What other purpose would these animals contribute towards society, other than food? I do not believe cows, chickens and pigs and what have you are sentient as we. They exhibit traits and behavior that is solely instinctual, or primitive. I doubt very much that if we were to stop all slaughter of animals for food, that said animals would proceed to develop a highly advanced society, let alone be able to coexist amongst other animals

 

 

Personally don't see this as a reason for killing them...but that's just me :)

 

Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. :D

 

Also, I do not think the meat industry slits the throats of it's animals. Point being, that would cause the animal to panic (or go into shock or whatever) and make the meat quality tough. I assure you, the deaths of the animals are quick and merciful

 

Slit throat: easy, cheap and the meat will get sold anyway as ex: burgers (grinded, who would feel the tension in the meat there?) etc etc

humane ways are not allways the dominant ways in the meat business

 

Bolt gun: In many cases yes but not in all...but yes it's a soooooo much better alternative i'll agree to that.

 

You mean.....WE'RE AGREEING ON SOMETHING ON THIS ISSUE?????? :blink:

 

*goes and has a lie down*

 

:P

[Slaiv]

Meat = Good. Scary non-meat-eaters = Bad.

[Darnoc]

Oh man, don't kill eachother over this issue. Killing all those animals is enough, I think. When someone doesn't like meat, then it's his problem, none of my business. He can do what he wants. When someone has a problem with animals being killed for food, his problem, I don't care, it's his live.

 

I'm only glad that I live in Switzerland. There at least I can get meat from bio-farms with no genetic engineered food given to the animals, where the animals can live outside on the fields and have a happy lifetime and where the farmer kills the animals right away on his farm or brings them to the butcher in the village not too far away. But over in the USA... those poor cows get genetically engineered stuff all the time, they even get hormones so that they grow large enough. Disgusting. I wouldn't eat such meat. I stick with the natural meat from Switzerland. OK, not every farmer does it the right way, but at least you can be sure that at least one farmer in the region is a bio-farmer. I have to pay more for meat than in other countries (meat is rather expensive in Switzerland) but I can be sure that it is natural meat and not such disgusting meat stuffed with genetically engineered food and a lot of injected hormones.

[Ancalagon]

I swear, I was over on the coast last week and I saw some cattle. One was this really huge bull, and I made the comment 'MMMM...He looks soooo delicious!'

 

Whence one of my friends said, 'Dude, you shouldn't view them as just food.'

 

I proceeded to impale him upon my spear of rhetoric and impressive argumentative skills the likes of which have never been seen...

 

(I told him what he could do with and where he could stick his idea)

 

 

My point is this, I eat meat. I grew up with it, I saw the videos of the slaughterhouses, and while I admit some were pretty graphic I just accepted it as a sad-but-necessary (not the torture but just killing the animals outright) means to an end. That end being a...medium-well Ribeye steak...cooked over Mesquite and...smothered...in Worchester sauce...

 

*drools on his shirt

 

Honestly, how can you not love meat? To quote Ted Nugent 'That's just weird'

*no intent to flame or insult, just my own personal golden and totally correct opinon :P

[Pack Rat]

In the EU you get the healthiest meat there is, or at least that's what they try to achieve. There might always something go worng. Thats why American meat is not allowed in the EU since it is prepared with hormons that are illegal in the EU.

[Malchik]

Such a pity most vegetarians seem to see it as a religion and need to make converts. Please feel free to make your own choices. I have made mine on the known facts. I will not try to convert you to my beliefs (on smoking, drinking, drugs, abortion, faith, sexual freedom, feeding habits, farting in public and acceptable levels of brightness in ties). It's good to debate any issue but it is the 'silent majority' you need to convince. Those who enter the debate against you will be nigh on impossible to covert.