Things that should exist, but don't.

[ThomasCovenant]

Restoration and all its spells are perfectly valid.

-- Colette Marence. LOL.

Glad somebody caught it!

Actually, I never said that I wanted Reality, I just pointed out things I thought about.

If anyone doesn't agree, you don't have to answer.

[Cthuloot]

Well you were sharing your thoughts so we shared ours mate, just friendly chat about the topic. I personally was trying to share how I felt about the points you brought up and maybe show you why such things weren't included. :thumbsup:

[Moraevik]

Don't get your panties in a wad, Thomas. When you start a thread like this, listing your opinions on things, other people are going to respond in kind. It's called "friendly discussion". Nobody was knocking you for your concerns about the game. I'm sure we all have some. It's just that everyone's perspectives are going to be different from each other, and we were merely adding ours to the mix, as well as explaining why some of your concerns are not our concerns. If all you want is for people to agree with you in your threads, well ... this is a diverse audience you're going to have. I very much doubt that anyone on Nexus is always going to agree with you 100%, and that's perfectly OK. There's plenty of room in the world for all of us.

 

As for not wanting "Reality", I don't think any of us actually want that. What we want is "verisimilitude". That's not the same thing. It's what the "reality mods" are all about. It's what the smithing overhaul mods are all about. It's what texture replacers and (at least in theory, although seldom in practice) what the full-body mods are all about. I think some of us simply felt that your ideas push verisimilitude a little too far into reality, especially considering that magic is an important part of this game, and you can't apply the rules of biology, physics, and chemistry to magic.

 

And, for what it's worth, if I didn't specifically disagree with a point you made I happened to agree with it, so I suppose we're meeting about halfway. There's nothing wrong with that. With the appropriate mods I'm sure you could have just about everything in your list. That's the beauty of a game in which the developers release the tools and information needed to mod it. You don't get that with all games.

[Georgiegril]

 

 

As for not wanting "Reality", I don't think any of us actually want that. What we want is "verisimilitude". That's not the same thing. It's what the "reality mods" are all about. It's what the smithing overhaul mods are all about. It's what texture replacers and (at least in theory, although seldom in practice) what the full-body mods are all about. I think some of us simply felt that your ideas push verisimilitude a little too far into reality, especially considering that magic is an important part of this game, and you can't apply the rules of biology, physics, and chemistry to magic.

 

 

2 points for vocabulary. :thumbsup: I agree with your content, as well.

Also I want to add that people who disagree to not have to be at odds with each other. We all probably have our own pet peeves about the game...

[Staind716]

Lol, good thing we didn't act like that when we had our discussion Georgiegril. I actually enjoy speaking to someone with a different opinion. Sometimes it helps you see things you wouldn't have when you hear it from someone with a different perspective. ;)

[AnkhAscendant]

Sometimes people's different opinions do seem pretty combative... I have to remember myself sometimes that it's not personal. For what it's worth, I pretty much agree with the Unbeliever ;)

[Ygfbv]

Here's an inconvenient reality check. According to history and to that real life blacksmith there is no way that a "lone wanderer" is going to put on full plate armor and then mount a horse. It's not physically possible to do that. That's why they always had btwn 2 to 4 squires and a winch. Trying to walk/run around in full plate mail is even worse. And don't even think about trying to fight effectively while wearing a full helm. If you fall into water more than 6 inches deep, you're dead. The weight of your armor restricts your movement.

 

They never used winches to get knights in full plate onto horses... that's a myth. Full plate weighs less than what the average soldier carries now and is distributed far, far more evenly (anywhere from 40 to 70lbs, 100lbs for jousting armour). You can do jumping jacks in it relatively easily, you can get up if you fall down, ETC. Visored bascinets existed as well.

[rpsgc]

Here's an inconvenient reality check. According to history and to that real life blacksmith there is no way that a "lone wanderer" is going to put on full plate armor and then mount a horse. It's not physically possible to do that. That's why they always had btwn 2 to 4 squires and a winch. Trying to walk/run around in full plate mail is even worse. And don't even think about trying to fight effectively while wearing a full helm. If you fall into water more than 6 inches deep, you're dead. The weight of your armor restricts your movement.

 

That's all fine and dandy but Skyrim's Steel Plate armour is what's called 'Plate Mail' and not 'Full Plate Armour', commonly known as 'Knight Suit of Armour'. Which is what you're referring to.

 

What we think of as a Knight Suit of Armor is more properly called Full Plate Armor. It is a full-body covering, made of shaped steel plates, commonly using some sort of leather and/or chain mail backing to facilitate flexible joints. Such a suit is incredibly heavy - most wearers of such armor would have to be literally lifted into the saddle of their horse by a small crane, and only the largest and strongest horses could be used. A Full Plate Armor suit could employ steel up to several millimeters thick in places, and typically weighed at least 150lbs (70kg). Needless to say, movement in such a heavy suit was very limited - the wearer could not effectively walk, and thus, should they be unhorsed, was immobilized.

 

The other typical medieval armor suit of the Knight was what we commonly refer to as Plate Mail these days. This was a combination of lightweight chain mail, leather backing, and several large steel plates covering critical sections of the body, but not providing near-total coverage like Plate Armor. In general, probably only about 50% of the wearer's total body surface would be covered by steel plates in such a suit. This suit was much more flexible, and weighed significantly less than Full Plate, and allowed for the wearer to fight effectively on foot. However, it still significantly reduced the flexibility and mobility of the wearer. Depending on design and construction, such Plate Mail could weigh anywhere from 40 to 75 lbs (20 to 35kg).

[FrankLeeDeRainged]

Pigs! There are no pigs in Skyrim and given how 'Scandinavian' the place is that's a big omission. The Scands love their pigs, or perhaps I should say love their bacon, ham sausages etc.

 

And incidentally Mead is normally drunk at room temperature as opposed to cold.

Edited September 14, 2012 by FrankLeeDeRainged

[BloXboX]

What should exist in Skyrim is the option to wipe out the Thieves Guild.

 

You don't have that choice, Riften must suffer forever and it feels so scripted i want to personaly travel to the Bethesda HQ and tell them about this problem.