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SangheliWarlord

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Hey all

I've been modding skyrim se for a little while and have built up a rather long mod list, but recently my game has started crashing after installing a few mods, not sure which ones

done a bunch of different things to work out the cause ,ran loot, ran fnis, checked xedit (not sure how well im kinda a noob at it but i get the jist) uninstalled mods, anyway i started a new save using alternate life and spawned in whiterun although everytime i get near the stables it crashes, i used (~coc) to get out of there but even after a while of playing it still crashed,

I was wondering if you could look at my mod list/ load order and tell me if there are any obvious incompatibilities or possible problems with it along with possible solutions

Thanks

Mod list / Load order

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp=1
SexLab.esm=1
CreatureFramework.esm=1
SexLabAroused.esm=1
Campfire.esm=1
FlowerGirls SE.esm=1
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1
OSA.esm=1
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm=1
ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1
SkyUI_SE.esp=1
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1
iNeed.esp=1
iNeed - Extended.esp=1
Cutting Room Floor.esp=1
Joy of Perspective.esp=1
1nivWICCloaks.esp=1
TrueStormsSE.esp=1
SOSRaceMenu.esp=1
UIExtensions.esp=1
FNIS.esp=1
CBBE.esp=1
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp=1
AIO SE TATTOOS.esp=1
sandboxcylinderheight.esp=1
EFFStandCosMenu.esp=1
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp=1
FNISSexyMove.esp=1
Real Flying.esp=1
RichMerchantsSkyrim_x5.esp=1
SexLab_Solutions.esp=1
SexLab Cumshot.esp=1
VioLens SE.esp=1
UnreadBooksGlow.esp=1
Serana Dialogue Edit.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
XPMSE.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
RaceMenuHH.esp=1
MoreNastyCritters.esp=1
SexLabDefeat.esp=1
LrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp=1
TavernGames.esp=1
Merta Assassin Armor.esp=1
Nocturnal Craftable Armors.esp=1
zzEstrus.esp=1
NewmillerElvenSniper.esp=1
EbonyValkyrie.esp=1
DW.esp=1
Demon Armor.esp=1
CosmeticVampireOverhaul.esp=1
armorFlesh.esp=1
Qw_BarenziahQuestMarkers_USSEP Patch.esp=1
Perseus.esp=1
SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp=1
PeroPeroArmorPackSE.esp=1
PeroPeroArmorPack - JoP Patch.esp=1
Immersive Jewelry.esp=1
Roman Conversion.esp=1
Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp=1
SexLab_DibellaCult.esp=1
PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp=1
TSR_TeldrynSerious.esp=1
SofiaFollower.esp=1
HentaiCreatures.esp=1
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=1
SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp=1
SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp=1
Roman armor and weapons replacer.esp=1
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp=1
ElysiumEstate.esp=1
SamuraiBlades.esp=1
TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp=1
Qw_SofiaFollower_USSEP Patch.esp=1
TW3_femaleArmors_zzjay.esp=1
Warhammer Sorceress Robes.esp=1
FNISspells.esp=1
ForgottenCity.esp=1
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1
Shindara.esp=1
Miri_Follower.esp=1
Daedric Pei Follower 1.3.esp=1
MyraTheTaffyDragon.esp=1
SamuraiBladesWeapons.esp=1
FayeFG.esp=1
Animal_SOS.esp=1
Amiella Outfit.esp=1
Greek_Armor.esp=1
Haem Projects Snippy.esp=1
Celtic and Germanic Armor and Weapons replacer.esp=1
WestAsianArmorAndWeaponsReplacer.esp=1
Racial Body Morphs.esp=1
Justice Glass Armor.esp=1
KS Hairdo's.esp=1
KS Jewelry.esp=1
MannequinChicks.esp=1
Shiva's Vanilla Clothing Replacer.esp=1
ShindaraHeelsOutfit.esp=1
Spartan Bard Outfit CBBE.esp=1
Stella Mithril Armor.esp=1
TsuntsunArmorCBBE-SE.esp=1
Book of UUNP - Textures.esp=1
TERAArmors_CBBE.esp=1
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1
Animated Featherd wings.esp=1
Animated Dragon WingsSE.esp=1
TAWoBA - JOP Patch.esp=1
Andromeda.esp=1
Regreses Star Cloth.esp=1
NeoHorus.esp=1
LustmordVampireArmor.esp=1
manny_mjollnir.esp=1
[COCO]BloomYouth.esp=1
[COCO]sexypunk.esp=1
Akaviri Dai-Katana.esp=1
AelaHouseArmor.esp=1
Insanity's Sorrow.esp=1
FGCumEffect.esp=1
The Ordinary Women.esp=1
Qw_TheOrdinaryWomen_CRF Patch.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
Thanks again to anyone who bothered to look through this and help me out
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Ah, the infamous Whiterun crash. Do a quick google search and you'll see multiple trouble-shooting threads; people are tearing their hair out over it to this day. You could consult some of them.

What I do know is: the most common cause of such crashes are mods that add new textures and meshes in the area you are having CTDs in.

I noticed that you have both CRF and Elysium Estate, and I would suggest disabling/uninstalling the latter mod.
I think Aela's House Armor is an Oldrim mod, yes? If so then it has unoptimized meshes that need to be run through NIF optimizer. If you have any other Oldrim mods adding meshes to characters/locations in or near whiterun, well....you shouldn't. Do you have any similar mods affecting Mjoll or Uthgerd?

I also noticed (unless I missed it) that you don't have Skyrim Engine Fixes installed. You should probably remedy that considering that you have a larger load order.
Do you not have SKSE? XPMSE requires it, and I noticed that you have a lot of mods that require XPMSE. If something is wrong with the skeleton you are using, then even starting a new game won't stop the crashes. I suggest performing a clean reinstall of XPMSE and all other related mods, and updating FNIS again.

Final thoughts: I see that you have a lot of armor mods, including TERA. How many mods do you have that affect leveled lists? You might consider making a bashed patch. I would also make time to identify mods that in anyway modify the Companions' event when you first go near whiterun early in-game.

That's all I can suggest, based on my limited knowledge. You have a lot of other mods (sexlab *coughcough*) that I know nothing of, amidst others I am unfamiliar with.
Best of luck to you.

Edited by sentinel1313
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thanks for the help mate

i do have skse and no i dont have i dont have any mods altering Mjoll or Uthgerd

as for armor replacer mods there's

the book of uunp

roman Armour and weapons replacer

celtic and germanic armour and weapons replacer

Shiva's Vanilla Clothing Replacer

Edited by SangheliWarlord
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Ive run xedit for errors and i found these

[01:32] Checking for Errors in [2F] TavernGames.esp
[01:32] _SAG_LetsPlayCards_Quest [QUST:2F00C54E]
[01:32] QUST \ VMAD - Virtual Machine Adapter \ Scripts \ Script \ Properties \ Property \ Value \ Object Union \ Object v2 \ FormID -> [2F00C5AE] < Error: Could not be resolved >
[01:22] Checking for Errors in [18] UIExtensions.esp
[01:22] UICosmeticMenu [QUST:18000E06]
[01:22] QUST \ Aliases \ Alias \ ALFR - Forced Reference -> [18000014] < Error: Could not be resolved >
and
[01:17] Checking for Errors in [10] SkyUI_SE.esp
[01:17] SKI_FavoritesManagerInstance "SKI_FavoritesManagerInstance" [QUST:1000082A]
[01:17] QUST \ VMAD - Virtual Machine Adapter \ Scripts \ Script \ Properties \ Property \ Value \ Object Union \ Object v2 \ FormID -> [10000014] < Error: Could not be resolved >
[01:17] QUST \ Aliases \ Alias \ ALFR - Forced Reference -> [10000014] < Error: Could not be resolved >
[01:17] SKI_ConfigManagerInstance "SKI_ConfigManagerInstance" [QUST:10000802]
[01:17] QUST \ Aliases \ Alias \ ALFR - Forced Reference -> [10000014] < Error: Could not be resolved >
[01:17] SKI_WidgetManagerInstance "SKI_WidgetManagerInstance" [QUST:10000824]
[01:17] QUST \ Aliases \ Alias \ ALFR - Forced Reference -> [10000014] < Error: Could not be resolved >
[01:17] SKI_MainInstance "SKI_MainInstance" [QUST:10000814]
[01:17] QUST \ Aliases \ Alias \ ALFR - Forced Reference -> [10000014] < Error: Could not be resolved >
[01:17] SKI_SettingsManagerInstance "SKI_SettingsManagerInstance" [QUST:1000080A]
[01:17] QUST \ Aliases \ Alias \ ALFR - Forced Reference -> [10000014] < Error: Could not be resolved >
[01:17] SKI_ConfigMenuInstance "SKI_ConfigMenuInstance" [QUST:10000820]
[01:17] QUST \ Aliases \ Alias \ ALFR - Forced Reference -> [10000014] < Error: Could not be resolved >
[01:17] SKI_ActiveEffectsWidgetInstance "SKI_ActiveEffectsWidgetInstance" [QUST:10000822]
[01:17] QUST \ Aliases \ Alias \ ALFR - Forced Reference -> [10000014] < Error: Could not be resolved >

any idea on how to solve them?

Edited by SangheliWarlord
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Ok, so you are using:

Tera Armors Collection
The Book of UUNP
Historical Revival - The Roman Era
Lustmord Vampire SSE
Aela House Armor
Shiva's Vanilla Clothing Replacer
+ a bunch of other stand-alone craftable armor/weapon/clothing mods, like Insanity Sorrow's Katana, etc.

A bashed patch isn't strictly required to use your replacers together, but if you want them to work together nicely, it's a must. The reason I mentioned it is because I think Aela House Armor (an Oldrim mod with unoptimized meshes, I'm not aware of an SSE port) would conflict with your other armor replacers. You said you started a new game and had a CTD when nearing Whiterun stables; as usual, Aela will be there slaying the giant with Farkas and Ria. Uthgerd will be talking to Skulvar outside of the stables because of Cutting Room Floor. I thought your crash might be related to either event. I don't know what problems might crop up from using CRF and Elysium Estate together, either. All of those things might contribute to game instability in that area of the game. Can't say I recommend using so many armor mods that effect leveled lists together; it's bound to cause issues.

Oh yeah, Sofia would be hanging around there too, right? XD


[01:22] Checking for Errors in [18] UIExtensions.esp
[01:22] UICosmeticMenu [QUST:18000E06]
[01:22] QUST \ Aliases \ Alias \ ALFR - Forced Reference -> [18000014] < Error: Could not be resolved >

I believe you fix this by adding skyrim.esm as a master to that plugin.
In XEdit, right-click the mod you want to add the master reference to (UIExtensions) in the left-hand panel and select "Add Masters" from the pop-up. A file selection menu should appear, from which you select the desired master file.

I'm afraid that I'm not familiar with the other errors, or if they are repaired in a similar fashion; I don't often use XEdit to make manual repairs.
I'm not sure If I can offer any more advice, as we are leaving my small realm of knowledge. You have all of the Book of UUNP's update files, right?
I would also definitely look into downloading Skyrim Engine Fixes.

I don't know what mod organizer you are using, but there is the MO2 Discord for advice and trouble shooting.


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thanks for the help man

crashes appear to be happening wherever there's a stable not just whiterun a lot of the Armour replacers ive had no issues with in the past as they mostly replace different things ie. historical revial changes the imperial stuff which unnp doesnt really touch same goes for shivas clothing replacer

oh and ive recently installed engine repairs along with removing aela house armor and Elysium estate (new save created obviously)

and im using the nmm mod manager

EDIT

oh and when i run xedit to check for error i have never found any relating to the armor mods

Edited by SangheliWarlord
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OK, so the game CTDs whenever you get near a city entrance, not just Whiterun Stables? That might help narrow it down. Then again, with the number of mods you've got, maybe not..........


So, after combing over your mod list once again and doing some research, here are other things I think you should do (or at least confirm):

*inhales*

PATCHES
Cosmetic Vampire Overhaul requires a CRF patch:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/8695?tab=files


OSA - Skyrim Ascendancy Engine requires PapyrusUtil SE and Mfg Fix:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17217
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11669

Ordinary Women SSE requires the SSE 3.0 USSEP patch:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/12376?tab=files

Apacchi Divine Elegance Store requires a JOP and USSEP patch:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/9213?tab=files

If you have all of these patches, make sure they are loaded right after their respected mods (LOOT messes this up sometimes, double check).

OLDRIM MODS
Decent Women (is that what "DW.esp" is? or is it Deadly Wenches?):
An Oldrim mod that contains unoptimized meshes. If this is one of the mods you recently installed, get rid of it or run the meshes through NIF.

Ebony Valkryrie Armor is another Oldrim mod, make sure you have the SSE version:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/13323?tab=files

I didn't see anything else. If you've already done the above, forgive me.

FAULTY MESHES AND DELETED NAVMESHES
If you've got ANY mods adding Oldrim meshes at all to your game, please remove them. Please confirm that all of your mods have been properly ported to SSE; it's your mod list, I can't check them all.
LOOT should report any deleted navmeshes.
Unless you are advised otherwise by a mod author, please clean any dirty mods with XEdit's auto-clean function.

MASTER FILES
Most already know this, but Bethesda's files need to be cleaned with every lousy update they administer. Gopher's got an excellent guide:



VRAM LIMITATIONS
If all else fails, perhaps consider lowering your graphical settings or getting rid of some heavier mods? I don't know your system specs (you could have an awesome setup for all I know), but it could be that your PC is failing to keep up with your modding aspirations.

LAST RESORT
The final option is to either perform tests by disabling your mods one by one until the CTDs stop, or disabling/deleting all of your mods from the beginning and then enabling/reinstalling them one by one until the problem reoccurs.
What mods have you installed most recently? Your mod manager may have a way of keeping track of when you installed each one (Vortex Mod Manager does this). Identify and disable them, then test.



*wheezes a little*

Well, that's all I've got, I think. If you've done all of these things and still have crashes, I don't know what to tell you. If nobody else reading your post can offer advice, I would advice starting things completely from scratch. Edited by sentinel1313
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