fraquar Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 (edited) For $5 any complaints are splitting hairs, IMO. It's worth $5 to download it just for the mod resources and to keep up to date with the current code so your mods work. How can you complain about something that's only $5? DLC's are really meant for closed systems who have no way of improving the basic game. For the PC however, this mod provides no real value beyond possibly being a modders resource. The $5 is irrelevant, I wouldn't install that if it was free unless it provided more options other than more canned houses in canned locations. it's adding one more thing on the pile of mods that can bork your game - and for what? Edited September 23, 2012 by fraquar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stemin Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 DLC's are really meant for closed systems who have no way of improving the basic game. That is an opinion. One I don't agree with. I've yet to see a mod that lives up to Dawnguard. Whether or not you like the story, the pure amount of content blows any other mod away. For the PC however, this mod provides no real value beyond possibly being a modders resource. The $5 is irrelevant, I wouldn't install that if it was free unless it provided more options other than more canned houses in canned locations. it's adding one more thing on the pile of mods that can bork your game - and for what? The $5 IS irrelevant, which was my point. And to me, adding it is a no brainer for such a limited price. Any patches Bethesda releases from this point on are going to be somewhat effected by whatever changes they made in Hearthfire, regardless of the fact that not everyone will get it. Particularly since Bethesda is known for screwing things up. Using your argument about mods, you can bet that with it being a source of modders resources that mods are going to start requiring it anyways. Using mod stability as a basis for deciding on a purchase is ignorant, IMO and an exercise in futility. I've said it before and I'll say it again, anyone who expects to use mods and have any kind of stability when the GotY isn't out, is deluding themselves, unless you intend to keep only the mods you have now and set Steam to offline mode and live under a rock refusing to update anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayFrosty05 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 DLC's are really meant for closed systems who have no way of improving the basic game. That is an opinion. One I don't agree with. I've yet to see a mod that lives up to Dawnguard. Whether or not you like the story, the pure amount of content blows any other mod away. For the PC however, this mod provides no real value beyond possibly being a modders resource. The $5 is irrelevant, I wouldn't install that if it was free unless it provided more options other than more canned houses in canned locations. it's adding one more thing on the pile of mods that can bork your game - and for what? The $5 IS irrelevant, which was my point. And to me, adding it is a no brainer for such a limited price. Any patches Bethesda releases from this point on are going to be somewhat effected by whatever changes they made in Hearthfire, regardless of the fact that not everyone will get it. Particularly since Bethesda is known for screwing things up. Using your argument about mods, you can bet that with it being a source of modders resources that mods are going to start requiring it anyways. Using mod stability as a basis for deciding on a purchase is ignorant, IMO and an exercise in futility. I've said it before and I'll say it again, anyone who expects to use mods and have any kind of stability when the GotY isn't out, is deluding themselves, unless you intend to keep only the mods you have now and set Steam to offline mode and live under a rock refusing to update anything. I agree with fraquar on this....why add what's 'irrelevant'? ....Just asking for trouble from a pointless addition....If one of my favourite mods require it or Bethesda comes out with something amazing that requires ALL previous DLC's I may have to re-think it, but my choice in mods doesn't really make that a foreseeable issue for me....and I can only hope Bethesda doesn't make any of their DLC's interdependant. Otherwise 'Hearthfire' is like any hundreds/thousands of mods I choose not to use...why download them if i have no interest in using them or making them a part of my game....whether it is Bethesda sanctioned/created or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFBryan18 Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 It's just funny how PC users will continue to talk about this dlc like it was supposed to be for them. It's not for the PC, you don't have to buy it, be happy with your mods. But I agree with Stemin, Dawnguard had way more content than a single modder could produce at the professional level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottym23 Posted September 24, 2012 Author Share Posted September 24, 2012 ...why download them if i have no interest in using them or making them a part of my game....whether it is Bethesda sanctioned/created or not. Because the reason you're not downloading it to begin with (from what I can gather) is due to the lack of desirable content from a PC gamer's point of view. But as others have already said, there will surely be house mods build off the foundation and resources of Hearthfire, thus making it a requirement in order to use those mods. So even if you have no interest in using Hearthfire by itself, when the mods community gets a hold of it and makes it worth getting you'll have to download the DLC anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottym23 Posted September 24, 2012 Author Share Posted September 24, 2012 It's just funny how PC users will continue to talk about this dlc like it was supposed to be for them. It's not for the PC, you don't have to buy it, be happy with your mods. But I agree with Stemin, Dawnguard had way more content than a single modder could produce at the professional level. Yeah I agree with you to some extent. However I believe this mod was also meant for the PC in the sense that it could be used as a valuable resource for modders to build off of, as you previously said. And people don't have to buy it to enjoy quality house mods, yet..But when it's released for the PC, you can be sure it will be a requirement for a lot of future mods. And yeah Dawnguard definitely has more content than a single modder could produce. I wish Bethesda would allow people to vote on the top 10 most asked for mods of that month, and whichever one got the most votes they'd create. If they did this for like every month or couple of months and either made them free or for a couple bucks (like 2 or 3 dollars depending on the size of the DLC) they could increase revenue astronomically and also keep people's interest for a lot longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayFrosty05 Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 ...why download them if i have no interest in using them or making them a part of my game....whether it is Bethesda sanctioned/created or not. Because the reason you're not downloading it to begin with (from what I can gather) is due to the lack of desirable content from a PC gamer's point of view. But as others have already said, there will surely be house mods build off the foundation and resources of Hearthfire, thus making it a requirement in order to use those mods. So even if you have no interest in using Hearthfire by itself, when the mods community gets a hold of it and makes it worth getting you'll have to download the DLC anyway. Until very recently I was an XBox only player, it was Skyrim in fact that had me convert to PC...I originally bought Skyrim on XBox and found the game lost it's flavour quickly for me....I lost interest....converting to PC with this wonderful modding community has given me a game I love now....If I was still on the XBox, I would have been thrilled with Dawnguard as I am on PC, but Hearthfire would have broken my heart...I would not have bothered with it on XBox either and just hoped and prayed that Bethesda would be coming out with something good soon after. As for house mods....I play a gritty Dovahkin and as such have very little interest in the vast majority of house mods available...the more basic the better is my personal preference....and have already found the perfect house mod for what I was looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottym23 Posted September 24, 2012 Author Share Posted September 24, 2012 As for house mods....I play a gritty Dovahkin and as such have very little interest in the vast majority of house mods available...the more basic the better is my personal preference....and have already found the perfect house mod for what I was looking for. Could you say what that house mod is please? I also am going to make a down-to-earth Dovah Bear Grylls style and would appreciate it :P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayFrosty05 Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 As for house mods....I play a gritty Dovahkin and as such have very little interest in the vast majority of house mods available...the more basic the better is my personal preference....and have already found the perfect house mod for what I was looking for. Could you say what that house mod is please? I also am going to make a down-to-earth Dovah Bear Grylls style and would appreciate it :P. This one is my favorite.....as my Dovahkin is a stealthy Warrior who uses no magic but loves his Poisons...: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/20899 There is also this one: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/13305 And this one: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/13844 I hope one of these maybe what you have in mind....my personal favorite is the 'grittiest' I think, but it does leave you without a number of luxuries and is kinda stutter prone when entering the cell and followers seem unable to follow you in....I don't use followers so hasn't been an issue with me....just noticed it with Serana and have noted a report of a similar issue reported with another of this modders houses....I reckon Bear Grylls might like it though.... :happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stemin Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 If I was still on the XBox, I would have been thrilled with Dawnguard as I am on PC, but Hearthfire would have broken my heart...I would not have bothered with it on XBox either and just hoped and prayed that Bethesda would be coming out with something good soon after. I seriously find that hard to believe and would point out you're incapable of knowing what you would really do since you AREN'T limited to the 360 version. Why would something that's only $5 disappoint you when it offers content and options you wouldn't previously be able to use at a low price ( for 360 users ) And honestly I think some of the disappointment came from the ridiculous amount of speculation prior to any real information about Hearthfire. I mean jesus, Bethesda copyrighted the name and all the sudden people were off and running with "theories" about what it was going to be about. If anyone is disappointed, I exhibit that they have their expectations set at an unrealistic level (which seems to be the norm at this point. no one is ever satisfied). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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