zelazko Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 I use the latest version of Wrye Bash and BOSS and haven't noticed any issues. What's the problem with using them together? I didn't even know Wrye Bash had support for BOSS. What exact features am I missing now when the support has been removed? I only use BOSS to sort my load order and that works as good as it has always have.Boss doesn't show,that some of the mods are dirty,and LOOT does. Same goes for compatibility issues between mods.I use WAC,and fake esp combined with MOO,MMM,and Francesco,and I didn't know,that WAC.esm is problematic with my install,until I did a random scan with LOOT,and saw a big warning about compatibility. I've already had a high level character at this point,so I didn't start over.Maybe it's best to use both,or stick to LOOT,hence it's being up to date. I just ran BOSS and a html page popped up with information about Bash Tags, uncleaned mods and other stuff. It warned that wac.esm was incompatible with other overhaul mods. With the load order I listed above the FCOM-WAC worked fine when I was playing it in 2016. You just need patches. I don't remember BOSS giving me errors because I had patches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReverendFelix Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 BOSS won't run from within WB anymore so you'll need to have Lock Load Order turned off in WB. Can't say for certain exactly how/if the BOSS bash tag suggestions are getting from BOSS to WB ... any of my more recent mods have had their bash tags added by me using WB, so after they have been added to the BOSS masterlist the appropriate tags already were in place.You can still run BOSS from Wrye Bash but yeah it looks like it can't override the Lock Load Order settings. I don't see the reason with locking my load order anyway so no problem for me.I suggest never leaving your load order unlocked. It is MUCH easier to unlock it if needed. As opposed to dealing with the serious problems that can happen if you leave it unlocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grogrokl Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) ESPs don't change their timestamps by themselves and I always run BOSS after I edit an ESP so I don't have much use of locking my load order. But sure, now when I think about it, it's probably more time effective to have the load order locked than to run boss every time during periods where I'm more likely to edit a mod than to install a new one. Edited August 24, 2019 by Grogrokl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malablondi Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 I use the latest version of Wrye Bash and BOSS and haven't noticed any issues. What's the problem with using them together? I didn't even know Wrye Bash had support for BOSS. What exact features am I missing now when the support has been removed? I only use BOSS to sort my load order and that works as good as it has always have.Boss doesn't show,that some of the mods are dirty,and LOOT does. Same goes for compatibility issues between mods.I use WAC,and fake esp combined with MOO,MMM,and Francesco,and I didn't know,that WAC.esm is problematic with my install,until I did a random scan with LOOT,and saw a big warning about compatibility. I've already had a high level character at this point,so I didn't start over.Maybe it's best to use both,or stick to LOOT,hence it's being up to date. I just ran BOSS and a html page popped up with information about Bash Tags, uncleaned mods and other stuff. It warned that wac.esm was incompatible with other overhaul mods. You're right about Boss.It shows that WAC is incompatible with other overhauls,indeed.I always wanted to try WAC,and I guess I didn't pay enough attention when I installed it.The only difference with LOOT,is that it shows exactly which overhauls on my list are incompatible,Francesco,and MMM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malablondi Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 I use the latest version of Wrye Bash and BOSS and haven't noticed any issues. What's the problem with using them together? I didn't even know Wrye Bash had support for BOSS. What exact features am I missing now when the support has been removed? I only use BOSS to sort my load order and that works as good as it has always have.Boss doesn't show,that some of the mods are dirty,and LOOT does. Same goes for compatibility issues between mods.I use WAC,and fake esp combined with MOO,MMM,and Francesco,and I didn't know,that WAC.esm is problematic with my install,until I did a random scan with LOOT,and saw a big warning about compatibility. I've already had a high level character at this point,so I didn't start over.Maybe it's best to use both,or stick to LOOT,hence it's being up to date. There are patches for WAC and FCOM. https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/46668If I can retrieve somehow my load order I will post you working load order for FCOM and WAC. 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Realistic Law Enforcement - Part Two.esp=1sycHearNoEvil.esp=1sycSHOUT.esp=1DD_NPCArrest.esp=1Ranokoas Undercover Overhaul TRN compatible.esp=0TRN One of the Gang.esp=1TRN One of the Gang SuspicionScript16sec.esp=0Enhanced Grabbing.esp=1kuerteeNPCsYield.esp=1Bundlement.esp=1JCN_AV Uncap.esp=1OOO-Level_Slow.esp=0Kaizits New Animations PC.esp=0Kaizits New Animations NPC.esp=1MUIA.esp=0Glowing Respawning Varla & Welkynd Stones 14-28 Days.esp=1Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp=1[sR] Khats & Args.esp=0ZUAmberMadnessOverhaul.esp=1ZUSIO-RatsInCrucible.esp=1ZUSIO-MMM SI-patch.esp=0ZUSIO-Map MarkerOverhaul SI-patch.esp=0Named Soulgems.esp=1Ghost in a Bottle II.esp=1bgMagicEV.esp=1Banes Guilds United LAME patch.esp=0Specialanims.esp=0bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp=0bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp=0bgMagicItemSigil.esp=0bgMagicEVStartspells.esp=0bgMagicBonus.esp=1bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp=0bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp=1SDR_Oblivion.esp=0MiniMap.esp=1CombatOmega.esp=0UVIII.esp=1CrimeModPatch.esp=0Sensual Walks.esp=0Sensual Walks SI.esp=0Sensual Walks SI DS + GS.esp=0All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp=0WAC - NoMapMarker.esp=0Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1Maskar's Oblivion Overhaul.esp=1OblivionReloaded.esp=1OblivionReloadedArenaCombat.esp=0 ===below plugins were not used considered for removal===RealNPCSkoomaAddiction.esp=0_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp=0WGTrooftop1.1.esp=0WhiteGoldTowerThrone.esp=0Grand Thief Guru.esp=0Jadrax Illegal Skooma.esp=0MCL_GreenBlueDress.esp=0Cellars of Oblivion No keys needed.esp=0Underworld Armor for NPCs.esp=0Highwayman - Rob Anybody.esp=0Underworld Armor for Vampires from Mods.esp=0Pirates Outfits.esp=0Maeva Scribonias Bookshop NO BookPlacing plus Castas Books plus Amalrics Books.esp=0 Thanks for info.I use WAC.esm with a blank esp(only these two,no extra plugins),to give MOO full control over spawns,and armor and weapons from WAC(which are only added to selected npcs,and I'm fine with that) I prefer equipment added by Francesco,and extra plugin for high level stuff,over items from WAC. 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zelazko Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 The LOOT masterlist for the Oblivion was last updated in 2016 while BOSS masterlist in December 2019. Use BOSS and Wrye Bash and avoid MO2 and LOOT for Oblivion. That's what latest guide says. Bevilex' modlist for Oblivion - Graphics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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