About Load Order and MasterLists

[Larshadowalker]

Hello my friends.

I have a question.

I am using xEdit, LooT and WryeBash.

These 3 programs says everything is fine but i realized that wryebash shows orange some of my save's masterlist not the mods those i use.

When i come to save section and looked at my last save, on the masterlist section first 6 bars seem blue but rest of them are orange.

 

Is this situation a problem if it is what is the solution ?

 

This is my load order by the way.

 

Active Mod Files:

• 00 Skyrim.esm

• 01 Update.esm

• 02 Dawnguard.esm

• 03 Hearthfires.esm

• 04 Dragonborn.esm

• 05 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

• 06 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

• 07 Ecotone Dual Sheath.esl

• 08 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

• 09 Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp

• 0A NSUTR_bugfixes.esp

• 0B NSUTR_groundsnow_mesh_fixes.esp

• 0C NSUTR_improvements.esp

• 0D ELFX - Exteriors.esp

• 0E SkyUI_SE.esp

• 0F EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

• 10 Cutting Room Floor.esp

• 11 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

• ++ dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp

• ++ dD-Short Script Range.esp

• 12 Book Covers Skyrim.esp

• 13 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

• 14 Cloaks.esp

• 15 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

• 16 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

• 17 Qw_BookCoversSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp

• 18 Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp

• 19 Vivid WeathersSE.esp

• 1A WetandCold.esp

• 1B RaceMenu.esp

• 1C RaceMenuPlugin.esp

• 1D FNISSexyMove.esp

• 1E Vokrii - Minimalistic Perks of Skyrim.esp

• 1F ZIA_Complete Pack.esp

• 20 Immersive Patrols II.esp

• 21 No Snow Under The Roof - CRF Patch.esp

• 22 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

• 23 SkyrimReputation_SSE.esp

• 24 Map Markers Complete.esp

• 25 FNISspells.esp

• 26 FNIS_PCEA2.esp

• 27 XPMSE.esp

• 28 Improved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.esp

• ++ Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp

• 29 Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp

• ++ More Powerful Divine Blessings + Amulets.esp

• 2A AMatterOfTime.esp

• ++ CBBE.esp

• 2B Footprints.esp

• 2C IcePenguinWorldMap.esp

• 2D VioLens SE.esp

• 2E Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp

• 2F Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

• 30 KS Dragon Overhaul 2.esp

• ++ Shout.esp

• 31 TrueDragonBorn - Heavy.esp

• 32 CommunityOverlays2_31T50.esp

• 33 AHZmoreHUD.esp

• ++ AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp

• 34 AllThievesGuildJobsConcurrently.esp

• 35 Ecotone Dual Sheath Patch.esp

• 36 FNIS.esp

• 37 FPSBoost.esp

• 38 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

• 39 Immersive Weapons.esp

• 3A Unique Uniques.esp

• 3B My Home Is Your Home.esp

• 3C sandboxcylinderheight.esp

• 3D AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp

• ++ Vivid Weathers - Wet and Cold patch.esp

• ++ Alex's Higher Bounty Rewards.esp

• 3E Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp

• 3F Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

• 40 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

• 41 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

• 42 RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp

• 43 RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp

• 44 Open Cities Skyrim.esp

• 45 Immersive Citizens - OCS patch.esp

• 46 ELFX - Exteriors Open Cities Patch.esp

• 47 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

• 48 RealisticWaterTwo - Open Cities.esp

• 49 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Edited August 23, 2019 by Larshadowalker

[jjb54]

1st - Does your game work?

 

... There are some mods and even DLC - Vanilla Skyrim that have " issues " / " flags " and it is best to leave them alone!

 

I know some MODS where the creator says - " DO NOT USE " X " to clean the file. You do the mod will not work. "

 

So, just because you have the ' flags ' .... if the game is working fine, leave them alone.

[IsharaMeradin]

Orange color for WB means that the master files are out of order. When affecting the save file, the game usually corrects things as far as the ID numbers go. But there is always the chance that something may go wonky. You can manually rearrange the load order in WB to match what your save file has listed if desired. If you are noticing this change after having added a mod or two, it may be because LOOT sorted one of those mods in between where the colors change.

 

For the most part, it should be considered harmless if all you are doing is adding a mod.

[wfandrews]

As far as correcting master files order for files it is easier to use the "sort" function in SSEEdit. Just select the file run SSEEdit right click on the file and scroll down to "Sort Masters" It is not the masters that are out of order but that the file is reading them out of order.

[Larshadowalker]

Dear jjb54, First of all, yea my game works but sometimes i have CTDs it is sad for me :/

Secondly, yea dude i cared about that warnings, i didnt clean those files which are shouldnt be cleaned.

Everything seems okey but i think i am missing something.

 

IsharaMeradin, I dont know if this is a wrong order which one ise true. I need some help about that.

 

wfandrews, As i know, your method is about mod's masterlist but my save file has wrong masterlist order.

 

This is my mod list everything is green everything seems ok.

 

 

The real problem is this:

 

[jjb54]

 

Dear jjb54, First of all, yea my game works but sometimes i have CTDs it is sad for me :/

Secondly, yea dude i cared about that warnings, i didnt clean those files which are shouldnt be cleaned.

Everything seems okey but i think i am missing something.

Are the CTD's totally random or are you going somewhere / doing something specific things that cause it?

We may have to initiate the P.I.T.A. Protocol if needed?

[Larshadowalker]

 

Dear jjb54, First of all, yea my game works but sometimes i have CTDs it is sad for me :/

Secondly, yea dude i cared about that warnings, i didnt clean those files which are shouldnt be cleaned.

Everything seems okey but i think i am missing something.

 

Are the CTD's totally random or are you going somewhere / doing something specific things that cause it?

 

We may have to initiate the P.I.T.A. Protocol if needed?

Randomly, mostly in wilderness freeroam. What is P.I.T.A ?

Also did u see my screen shots ? Is it a problem ? How do you evaluate my screen shots ?

[jjb54]

Yes, I saw your screen shot ... but 2/b honest ... I can see those " red " area a lot in various mods that work just fine.

 

P.I.T.A. Protocol is Pain In The A...

 

In that, we have to do the ' slow-mo ' trouble shooting.

 

So here is the first thing I would like you to do:

 

Use Loot or whatever program like that you have that will COPY your Skyrim Load order in total. and use the:

 

[ spoiler ] ( no spaces ) between the [ ] and the word. Paste your mod load order and close it with [ / spoiler ] , again no spaces. This will HIDE it and yet be easy to see when you click:

 

 

 

LOAD ORDER OF MODS HERE

 

 

 

The first thing we need to do is see if you have some mods that are not ' happy ' with each other.

 

Then if nothing obvious jumps out, then the P.I.T.A. Protocol will be invoked, in that you will have to turn off all your mods and load a clean new game. NO SAVED GAME. But we will go into specifics here when / if we get there.

[Larshadowalker]

Yes, I saw your screen shot ... but 2/b honest ... I can see those " red " area a lot in various mods that work just fine.

 

P.I.T.A. Protocol is Pain In The A...

 

In that, we have to do the ' slow-mo ' trouble shooting.

 

So here is the first thing I would like you to do:

 

Use Loot or whatever program like that you have that will COPY your Skyrim Load order in total. and use the:

 

[ spoiler ] ( no spaces ) between the [ ] and the word. Paste your mod load order and close it with [ / spoiler ] , again no spaces. This will HIDE it and yet be easy to see when you click:

 

 

 

LOAD ORDER OF MODS HERE

 

 

 

The first thing we need to do is see if you have some mods that are not ' happy ' with each other.

 

Then if nothing obvious jumps out, then the P.I.T.A. Protocol will be invoked, in that you will have to turn off all your mods and load a clean new game. NO SAVED GAME. But we will go into specifics here when / if we get there.

 

I did share my mod list before but i will do it again with both loot and wrye.

See my modlist below as a spoiler.

 

 

 

With LOOT:

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

6 6 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

254 FE 0 Ecotone Dual Sheath.esl

7 7 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

8 8 Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp

9 9 NSUTR_bugfixes.esp

10 a NSUTR_groundsnow_mesh_fixes.esp

11 b NSUTR_improvements.esp

12 c ELFX - Exteriors.esp

13 d EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

14 e SkyUI_SE.esp

15 f Cutting Room Floor.esp

16 10 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp

dD-Short Script Range.esp

17 11 Book Covers Skyrim.esp

18 12 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

19 13 Cloaks.esp

20 14 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

21 15 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

254 FE 1 Qw_BookCoversSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp

254 FE 2 Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp

22 16 Vivid WeathersSE.esp

23 17 RaceMenu.esp

24 18 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

25 19 FNISSexyMove.esp

26 1a Vokrii - Minimalistic Perks of Skyrim.esp

27 1b ZIA_Complete Pack.esp

28 1c Immersive Patrols II.esp

254 FE 3 No Snow Under The Roof - CRF Patch.esp

29 1d The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

30 1e SkyrimReputation_SSE.esp

31 1f Map Markers Complete.esp

32 20 FNISspells.esp

33 21 FNIS_PCEA2.esp

34 22 XPMSE.esp

35 23 Improved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.esp

Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp

36 24 Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp

37 25 WetandCold.esp

More Powerful Divine Blessings + Amulets.esp

38 26 AMatterOfTime.esp

CBBE.esp

39 27 Footprints.esp

40 28 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp

41 29 VioLens SE.esp

42 2a Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp

43 2b Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

Vivid Weathers - Wet and Cold patch.esp

44 2c KS Dragon Overhaul 2.esp

Shout.esp

45 2d TrueDragonBorn - Heavy.esp

46 2e CommunityOverlays2_31T50.esp

47 2f AHZmoreHUD.esp

AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp

48 30 AllThievesGuildJobsConcurrently.esp

49 31 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

50 32 Immersive Weapons.esp

51 33 Unique Uniques.esp

52 34 Ecotone Dual Sheath Patch.esp

53 35 My Home Is Your Home.esp

54 36 sandboxcylinderheight.esp

55 37 FNIS.esp

56 38 FPSBoost.esp

57 39 AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp

Alex's Higher Bounty Rewards.esp

58 3a Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp

59 3b Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

60 3c Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

61 3d Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

62 3e RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp

63 3f RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp

64 40 Open Cities Skyrim.esp

65 41 Immersive Citizens - OCS patch.esp

66 42 ELFX - Exteriors Open Cities Patch.esp

67 43 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

254 FE 4 RealisticWaterTwo - Open Cities.esp

68 44 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

With WryeBash:

 

Active Mod Files:

• 00 Skyrim.esm

• 01 Update.esm

• 02 Dawnguard.esm

• 03 Hearthfires.esm

• 04 Dragonborn.esm

• 05 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

• 06 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

• 07 Ecotone Dual Sheath.esl

• 08 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

• 09 Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp

• 0A NSUTR_bugfixes.esp

• 0B NSUTR_groundsnow_mesh_fixes.esp

• 0C NSUTR_improvements.esp

• 0D ELFX - Exteriors.esp

• 0E SkyUI_SE.esp

• 0F EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

• 10 Cutting Room Floor.esp

• 11 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

• ++ dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp

• ++ dD-Short Script Range.esp

• 12 Book Covers Skyrim.esp

• 13 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

• 14 Cloaks.esp

• 15 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

• 16 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

• 17 Qw_BookCoversSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp

• 18 Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp

• 19 Vivid WeathersSE.esp

• 1A WetandCold.esp

• 1B RaceMenu.esp

• 1C RaceMenuPlugin.esp

• 1D FNISSexyMove.esp

• 1E Vokrii - Minimalistic Perks of Skyrim.esp

• 1F ZIA_Complete Pack.esp

• 20 Immersive Patrols II.esp

• 21 No Snow Under The Roof - CRF Patch.esp

• 22 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

• 23 SkyrimReputation_SSE.esp

• 24 Map Markers Complete.esp

• 25 FNISspells.esp

• 26 FNIS_PCEA2.esp

• 27 XPMSE.esp

• 28 Improved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.esp

• ++ Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp

• 29 Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp

• ++ More Powerful Divine Blessings + Amulets.esp

• 2A AMatterOfTime.esp

• ++ CBBE.esp

• 2B Footprints.esp

• 2C IcePenguinWorldMap.esp

• 2D VioLens SE.esp

• 2E Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp

• 2F Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

• 30 KS Dragon Overhaul 2.esp

• ++ Shout.esp

• 31 TrueDragonBorn - Heavy.esp

• 32 CommunityOverlays2_31T50.esp

• 33 AHZmoreHUD.esp

• ++ AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp

• 34 AllThievesGuildJobsConcurrently.esp

• 35 Ecotone Dual Sheath Patch.esp

• 36 FNIS.esp

• 37 FPSBoost.esp

• 38 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

• 39 Immersive Weapons.esp

• 3A Unique Uniques.esp

• 3B My Home Is Your Home.esp

• 3C sandboxcylinderheight.esp

• 3D AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp

• ++ Vivid Weathers - Wet and Cold patch.esp

• ++ Alex's Higher Bounty Rewards.esp

• 3E Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp

• 3F Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

• 40 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

• 41 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

• 42 RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp

• 43 RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp

• 44 Open Cities Skyrim.esp

• 45 Immersive Citizens - OCS patch.esp

• 46 ELFX - Exteriors Open Cities Patch.esp

• 47 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

• 48 RealisticWaterTwo - Open Cities.esp

• 49 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

 

[jjb54]

Okay - OPEN CITIES.

 

I do know from very personal experience, that it's best NOT to activate this mod until you have been to ALL the cities, otherwise certain " ACTIVATION KEYS " will not engage. IE: the beheading at Solitude never happens and I had to do some keyboard commands to get certain NPC's and such to ' be there '. Also in Whiterun and so on, where there were certain actions / dialogs that took place upon entering.

 

So it's best to turn this specific mod on AFTER all cities have been visited and activated. As I also had Random CTD's when I came close to various cities ... as the " activation keys " could not / would not engage.

 

Basically I stopped using this mod .... it was just too much uncertainty and CTD's. Now also, the last time I tried this mod was just over a year ago ..... and have not gone back since then.

 

FNIS - Did you run the EXE before you started the game and have it ' initialize ' the actions that your mods are keyed to? I ask this, because earlier this week and few times in the past, I had users that " forgot " to do this.

 

 

Vokrii - Minimalistic Perks of Skyrim - Did you verify that you have any patches for this, as there is quite a list of them in a LINKED page.

 

The above, ( understand a quick view on my side ), would create / could create " random " CTD's when you are close to a city and / or activating a skill - perk or such.

 

Understand, again - this is just a quick view of MODS that could be problematic.