Crashing at random points. [Load order inside]

[gutshotenigma]

Hi everyone!

 

I wonder if you can help me.

I've been struggling with these crashes for a little while now.

And with no luck in fixing the problem and finding it where it stems from.

I looked round at conflicts and such and if any arose I either patched them problem with a compatibility patch, Or removed one of the offenders.

Now I use NMM to download my mods, BOSS to order them and then Wrye bash to bash patch and launch.

I'll include here my BOSS Load order, Boss Unrecognised Mods.

I would include a Crash report but not sure where to locate it.

 

Ok here we go....

 

V V BOSS load order V V

 

 

These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action.

 

Skyrim.esm Active

Update.esm Active

CLARALUX - More and Brighter Lights.esm Active

more_Travelers.esm Active

Omegared99-Compilation.esm Active

SkyMoMod.esm Active

SPIKE.esm Active

JSwords.esm Active

mannyBlackRock.esm Active

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm Active

moonpath.esm Active

XFLMain.esm Active

Note: For safe mod uninstall see special uninstallation instructions on mod page.

Dual Wield for Followers.esm Active

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

MintyLightningMod.esp Active

Improved Combat Sounds v2.1.esp Active

Realistic Lighting - Addon.esp Active

Note: Obsolete. Update to latest version.

Realistic Lighting.esp Active

Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp Active

Weapons and Armor fixes.esp Active

Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp Active

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active

Arrows of Magicka.esp Active

Note: Use only one Arrows of Magicka*.esp

Better Alchemy Loot.esp Active

Birds.esp Active

Birdsofskyrim.esp Active

Bring Out Your Dead.esp Active

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp Active

Crafting300.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Dwemer Spectres.esp Active

EbonyCrownCraftable.esp Active

ElvenCrownCraftable.esp Active

Furbag.esp Active

GlassCrownCraftable.esp Active

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active

Immersive Patrols.esp Active

Immersive Travelers.esp Active

Immersive Brigands.esp Active

Krisan's Children.esp Active

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - RCRN Legacy.esp Active

UnlimitedBookshelves.esp Active

Lost Art of the Blacksmith.esp

lt_camping.esp Active

Malkavs Collection.esp Active

More Craftables.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

Convertible Azura's Star.esp Active

moredragonloot.esp Active

NightsWatchArmor.esp Active

People Have Torches.esp Active

Populus.esp Active

Realistic Wildlife Loot - Realistic.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Note: Use only one Realistic Wildlife Loot - *.esp

Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp Active

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Active

TheBigBookofAlchemy.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

TK_Placeable_Clutter.esp Active

Convenient Horses.esp Active

CrowdedCities.esp Active

more_Travelers_light.esp Active

Note: Use only one more_Travelers*.esp

more_Travelers.esp Active

Note: Use only one more_Travelers*.esp

Footprints.esp Active

iHUD.esp Active

+ MATHERIAN_VIKING_SHIELDS_SET +.esp Active

Armor of Justice.esp Active

aassassinscraftables.esp Active

BaratheonArmor.esp Active

Berserk Black Swordsman Armor.esp Active

Note: Use only one version of Berserk Black Swordsman Armor

BlackSacramentArmor.esp Active

bobsarmory.esp Active

Bucklers-Complete.esp Active

Cloaks.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp Active

Craftable Artifacts.esp Active

Daedric Lord Armor.esp Active

DarkNemesis.esp Active

dbarrows.esp Active

dbbownogloss.esp Active

dbdagger.esp Active

dbsword.esp Active

DaggerCraft.esp Active

DCR_Blade_Set.esp Active

Doomshard Bow.esp Active

Dragonbone Weapons.esp Active

dragonpriestmasks.esp Active

Dread Huntress Armor.esp Active

Dread Knight Weapon Set.esp Active

Divine Aegis.esp Active

Divine Aegis Sword.esp Active

DualSwords.esp Active

Dwarven Condenser.esp Active

DwarvenMech.esp Active

DwarvenShooter.esp Active

DwemerAutoBlade.esp Active

DwarvenPowerArmor.esp Active

DwemerRifle.esp Active

DynamicLoot.esp Active

Northborn Fur Hoods.esp Active

EinherjarArmor.esp Active

EternalShineArmorAndWeapons.esp Active

Experimenter_Ring.esp Active

Explosive Arrows.esp Active

Gizmodian-Obliviweapons.esp Active

gun.esp Active

HeroicDwarven.esp Active

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

Ivory.esp Active

JoOsSkyrimKnightlyArmory.esp Active

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp Active

KatanaCrafting.esp Active

KO Katana.esp Active

listernersarmorset.esp Active

lordamor.esp Active

Malo_Waffen.esp Active

Masters of Death - Sicarius Armor (Standalone).esp Active

MegaShields.esp Active

Moar Kontent.esp Active

MongolArmor.esp Active

Newermind Bow Collection.esp Active

Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp Active

Oriental Weapon&Armor.esp Active

Paladin.esp Active

PowerOfTheGods.esp Active

PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

Quests-Timing Book.esp Active

RealFireArrows.esp Active

Ring of Himalayan Hauling v1.0.esp Active

SabreCat_Gear.esp Active

Scoiatael Weapons.esp Active

ScoutArmor.esp Active

ShieldsofSkyrimLists.esp Active

Shining Paladin.esp Active

Siege Bow & Backpacks.esp Active

Silverlight Armor.esp Active

TCOSS.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

tom349fistweapons.esp Active

Tools of Kagrenac.esp Active

TrissArmorRetextured.esp Active

uruk.esp Active

VHunterArmor.esp Active

Vicious Heart.esp Active

viciousdawnbreaker.esp Active

Viking Weaponry.esp Active

WarfighterArmory.esp Active

warmagearmor.esp Active

WeaponsOf3E.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

WVExpansion.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Dr_Bandolier.esp Active

DeadlyDragonsSpells.esp Active

quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp Active

buildablehouse.esp Active

CampsAndShipwrecks.esp Active

Kynesguard.esp Active

mannyDragonhead.esp Active

moonpath_questdata.esp Active

Murder01.esp Active

quest_nomercy.esp Active

Radiance.esp Active

Run For Your Lives.esp Active

quest_seaofghosts.esp Active

Skyrim School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.esp Active

quest_thebiggertheyare.esp Active

Tundra Defense.esp Active

SkyrimCoinReplacer.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

no_quest_items.esp Active

ArrowInTheEverywhere_Insane.esp Active

Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Weightless).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Weightless).esp Active

Better Skill and Quest Books Names - BS.esp Active

BetterQuestObjectives.esp Active

Binocular Vision For NPCs while Sneaking.esp Active

Brighter Campfires X20.esp Active

DiversePriests.esp Active

dynamic fires.esp Active

DynamicMerchants.esp Active

GoldenVendors.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

Headtracking.esp Active

LegionRequisition.esp Active

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp Active

OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp Active

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp Active

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active

dD-SkyrimMonsterMod EBT Patch.esp Active

Spells Cast Light.esp Active

VariousGuardReplacer.esp Active

torches for RL (happy medium).esp Active

Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active

Note: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif.

Derrax_Male_Werewolf_HUMANpenis.esp

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp Active

Ancient Spells.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

MidasSkyrim.esp Active

Ghostifish-Magical Alchemy Harvest-o-tron.esp Active

HitStop.esp Active

Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp Active

Note: Reported about some versions of this plugin cause frequent crashes. Use with caution and update to latest version. If You don't see frequent crashes in your game then ignore this message.

Phenderix's Magic Evolved - No Perks.esp Active

Note: Reported about some versions of this plugin cause frequent crashes. Use with caution and update to latest version. If You don't see frequent crashes in your game then ignore this message.

SSAPBWK.esp Active

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp Active

DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp Active

FNISspells.esp Active

hankyench.esp Active

The Dance of Death.esp Active

decap 50.esp Active

Killmove.esp Active

kuerteeFightOrFly.esp Active

Locational Damage.esp Active

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp Active

Incompatible with: dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

AT - Loot Arrows +100%.esp Active

AT - Faster Arrows Improved +100%.esp Active

AT - Merchants Arrows +100%.esp Active

AT - Increased Progressive Damage (BS and CCO) +150%.esp Active

AT - Recover +50% Arrows.esp Active

MorePP.esp Active

ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp Active

race+.esp Active

XFLDialogue.esp Active

XFLPlugins.esp Active

Follower Trap Safety.esp Active

FollowerWander2.esp Active

Note: XFLMain.esm has the same functional, but you can use FollowerWander2.esp on your choice.

DudestiaMultiMarriages.esp Active

moveit.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Active

First Person Messages.esp

WATER.esp Active

WATER - Get Wet.esp Active

Cartographers Map Markers.esp Active

smakit_house_markers_plus.esp Active

Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active

 

 

 

V V Boss unrecognised mods V V

These are currently just placed in-between the recognised mods and the bashed patch (at the bottom)

 

 

The following plugins were not found in the masterlist, and must be positioned manually, using your favourite mod manager or by using BOSS's user rules functionality. You can submit unrecognised plugins for addition to the masterlist directly from this log by clicking on a plugin and supplying a link and/or description of its contents in the panel that is displayed.

 

ETaC - RESOURCES.esm Active

CaneKatana.esp Active

DEATH-DEALER-PKR.esp Active

Dwemer Goggles & Scouter.esp Active

MongolShield.esp Active

NobleArtifactsForSkyrim_0.6_Eng.esp Active

ZigurdzWarden.esp Active

Armoury of Conan.esp Active

DB Dragonbone Weapons.esp Active

Solstheim Set.esp Active

TheCallOfTheNorth.esp Active

WarchiefsMight.esp Active

LpotDHorse.esp Active

BuryTheDead.esp Active

Improved Artifacts.esp Active

Gods smithing gift.esp Active

master alchemy book.esp Active

LPotD Armor.esp Active

Better_enchanting_tables.esp Active

Alchemy Apparatuses .95.05.esp Active

BUE.esp Active

RTSforSkyrim.esp Active

ETaC - Villages Complete.esp Active

Immersive Werewolves.esp Active

quest_sorcery.esp Active

Chrysamere.esp Active

Forges of Skyrim.esp Active

 

 

 

Running SKSE with the following Plugins.

SKSE Version: 0.1.5.11

CFM_extensions.dll

SKSE_Elys_Uncapper.dll Version: 1.14.2.1

 

 

also 5 of these mods were activated through steam workshops.

These are quest mods and are as follows:

 

quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp Active

quest_sorcery.esp Active (unrecognised)

quest_nomercy.esp Active

quest_seaofghosts.esp Active

quest_thebiggertheyare.esp Active

 

 

Any help you guys could give me to resolve this problem would be massively appreciated.

 

All the best

 

Enigma.

[AnkhAscendant]

If it's crashing at random places/times and you can't duplicate it by going through the same spot, it's probably not actually a mod conflict, more likely something overloading your system or something such as stray scripts eating your RAM (unverified, I think I heard Moonpath was guilty of that, research it yourself because I don't want to badmouth good mod if it's not ^^; ). However, two things in your load order stood out:

 

*You seem to have both Travelers.esp's active when they have a note to use only one. That would be a conflict.

*Phenderix's magic plugins both have a note that they have been reported by some to cause frequent crashes. Have you tried deactivating them?

 

Smaller things that stood out:

1.

FollowerWander2.esp Active

Note: XFLMain.esm has the same functional, but you can use FollowerWander2.esp on your choice.

- unnecessary mod

 

2.

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp Active

Incompatible with: dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

- conflict

 

3.

Realistic Lighting - Addon.esp Active

Note: Obsolete. Update to latest version.

 

4. you have a _lot_ of mods. x_x You didn't say how good your system is, but I know mine would shrivel up and die if I tried to load your list.

 

Also, aren't you using like three completely different lighting mods? Does that work...? o_O (Ignore that comment if Claralux + Minty's lighting + realistic lighting all work fine and have a purpose, but it seems strange to me.)

[gutshotenigma]

Hey AnkhAscendant,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I'm rather confused there to be honest.

It's listing the esp's when they are deactivated.

 

I only use the one blood mod. Enhanced blood textures.

 

Both travellers being on is news to me, thought I got only one of them on :S

 

I recently switched to the XFLmain for followers and changed to convenienthorses to switch out the many horse function mods and make it only one. (horse inventory,horse armour, horses for followers etc...)

 

Minty is a lightning mod, they must have misspelt the esp XD

But i'll look into Claralux and Realistic. from what i know Realistic is part of the ESB Sup3rd esb which i favour.

Is there a better one out there to replace it with?

 

 

 

I've had no problem with the system side of things.

 

Running:

OS Version: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional

System RAM: 8gb 1600mhz Dominator Corsair

CPU Name: Intel® Core i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz

Video Card Description: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti

 

 

I think I've decided to un-install all the mods and start again from scratch.

I'm also adding and changing a few more :O

 

Going to start with the most needed.

SkyUI,Better sorting, Immersive Hud. that sort of thing.

 

Then add the texture pack changes, SkyrimHD2K etc

 

Then any additional stuff. weapons & Armor and crafting stuff.

 

Hopefully doing in stages will allow me to find the problems.

 

And then

[AnkhAscendant]

Hey AnkhAscendant,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I'm rather confused there to be honest.

It's listing the esp's when they are deactivated.

 

Ahh, yeah, it does list everything in your Data folder. I thought everything in your list was active. Disregard me then.

 

Minty is a lightning mod, they must have misspelt the esp XD

But i'll look into Claralux and Realistic. from what i know Realistic is part of the ESB Sup3rd esb which i favour.

Is there a better one out there to replace it with?

 

Nope, it says Lightning, I just misread it ^^; ("Lighting", "lightning", same thing, right? :P ) I can't help with ENBs, my poor game ran in slo-mo when I tried to activate one even at lowest settings. Now I just look on with envy. I honestly don't know if having two lighting mods active at once would actually cause problems, or even if Claralux and Realistic actually clash, it just seemed odd.

 

I've had no problem with the system side of things.

 

Running:

OS Version: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional

System RAM: 8gb 1600mhz Dominator Corsair

CPU Name: Intel® Core i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz

Video Card Description: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti

 

 

I think I've decided to un-install all the mods and start again from scratch.

I'm also adding and changing a few more :O

 

Going to start with the most needed.

SkyUI,Better sorting, Immersive Hud. that sort of thing.

 

Then add the texture pack changes, SkyrimHD2K etc

 

Then any additional stuff. weapons & Armor and crafting stuff.

 

Hopefully doing in stages will allow me to find the problems.

 

That should do it. Apparently that's a good practice anyway (well, one at a time is actually best practice, but in stages is much better than willy-nilly.) Of course, I never really do the research-and-playtesting procedure, which is why I had to do the same thing myself a couple weeks ago... I hope you isolate your problem and it turns out to be not too serious.

[gutshotenigma]

Yeah i think i got a little bit to willy nilly and started throwing far to much stuff on,

May have had some overwrite conflicts along the way or something.

 

 

From what i understand.

CLARALUX (why the caps i dont know) Is a lighting configuration.

It improves the Light output of all torches and adds torches and lights to forts,roads town and such.

It is compatible with all enbs.

 

Just going to take it one step at a time.

I'll keep this updated as i go.

 

 

Ok plan of attack activate batch of mods.

Playtest 30-60 mins.

 

If everything ok. Carry on with next batch.

Repeat til problem arises.

 

Look deeper into activate mod batch,

Scour crash and script reports.

deal with problem.

 

rinse repeat.

Edited October 4, 2012 by gutshotenigma

[cramlow]

Enlightening thread.

 

I noted that it was mentioned:

 

"Scour crash and script reports.

deal with problem."

 

Can someone please advise me what script reports or logs can I look at to help determine what my possible crashes may be due to? I too have recently rebuilt Skyrim for the 6th time to gently add mods and playtest. It's very cumbersome, but wholly necessary it seems and having reports or logs would be extremely helpful.

 

Also, does anyone know if it still makes sense to somehow combine mods/esp/esm and what tool may be used? The example I have is with the CK I have modded some NPCs and changed some attributes and that's created a esp each time that I'd like to combine if that help eliminate CTDs/freezes.

[gutshotenigma]

Reasonably sure that Both BOSS and Wrye Bash can make some crash reports as long as select the function to do so in the settings.

 

not entirely sure where they put them too,

I found some in mydocs/skyrim/logs/scripts found some paparus logs there.

 

But wether or not they are the proper crash reports not sure? :S

[cramlow]

Thanks for the reply. How about for combining mods?

[gutshotenigma]

Oh you mean like a bashed patch?

I still use the same thing i have since Oblivion.

Wrye Bash.

Excellent program compatible with SKSE,BOSS and deals with installation,load order and launching if you want it too.

 

Right beginning my playtest with first batch:

 

 

 

Skyrim.esm Active

Update.esm Active

SPIKE.esm Active

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active

iHUD.esp Active

no_quest_items.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Weightless).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Weightless).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp Active

BetterQuestObjectives.esp Active

Headtracking.esp Active

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp Active

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active

race+.esp Active

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Active

First Person Messages.esp Active

Cartographers Map Markers.esp Active

Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active

 

 

 

will update after a 30 minute play test

 

 

*EDIT*

First Test and no problems what so ever.

If however a stark reminder at how different skyrim looked to how it was modded :D

 

Onto the next batch

 

adding.......

 

SkyrimHD2K Full texture pack.(Got overwrite conflict errors with Static Mesh Improvement)

Xenius Character Enhancement

Visible Windows

Spells will give off light

Soul Gem Retexture

Silly Level of Detail (Potions,Posions And Wine Cellar)

No More blocky faces

Lore based loading screens

Improved NPC Clothing. (some overwrite conflict with a few textures on HD2K)

Height Adjusted Races with real giants.

Glowing Ore Veins

Ethereal Elven Overhaul

Enhanced Night Sky (Galaxy and high stars)

Enhanced Distance Terrain

Cover Khajits (Male and Female)

Better Males

Calientes females.

Realistic Lighting

Better Dynamic Snow

And Footprints.

 

New Load Order looks like this....

 

 

 

Skyrim.esm Active

Update.esm Active

SPIKE.esm Active

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active

Realistic Lighting.esp Active

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active

Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp Active

Footprints.esp Active

iHUD.esp Active

no_quest_items.esp Active

Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Weightless).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Weightless).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp Active

BetterQuestObjectives.esp Active

Headtracking.esp Active

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp Active

Spells Cast Light.esp Active

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active

Ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp Active

race+.esp Active

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Active

Basvanbeu MuscleTextureChanger with Navetsea set.esp Active

Height Adjusted Races with True Giants v4.esp Active

First Person Messages.esp Active

Cartographers Map Markers.esp Active

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

 

Off to test.....

 

 

tested second batch no problems, Apart from some mods messing with the skins of the improved meshes.

Will reinstall body mods and hopefully will fix the problem, Needless to say the results were quite horrifying :S

Other than that all the mods are working and looking good. Skyrim is slowing becoming easier on the eye again.

Will continue this tomorrow with more batches and testing

 

Perhaps some screens if anyone is interested..

Edited October 4, 2012 by gutshotenigma

[cramlow]

Awesome infor man. I appreciate it. I will try Wrye per your recommendation this weekend and see how it goes. Indeed, I would like to see some screenies please. Edited October 5, 2012 by cramlow