gutshotenigma Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 Hi everyone! I wonder if you can help me.I've been struggling with these crashes for a little while now.And with no luck in fixing the problem and finding it where it stems from.I looked round at conflicts and such and if any arose I either patched them problem with a compatibility patch, Or removed one of the offenders.Now I use NMM to download my mods, BOSS to order them and then Wrye bash to bash patch and launch.I'll include here my BOSS Load order, Boss Unrecognised Mods.I would include a Crash report but not sure where to locate it. Ok here we go.... V V BOSS load order V V Reveal hidden contents These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action. Skyrim.esm Active Update.esm Active CLARALUX - More and Brighter Lights.esm Active more_Travelers.esm Active Omegared99-Compilation.esm Active SkyMoMod.esm Active SPIKE.esm Active JSwords.esm Active mannyBlackRock.esm Active Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm Active moonpath.esm Active XFLMain.esm Active Note: For safe mod uninstall see special uninstallation instructions on mod page. Dual Wield for Followers.esm Active Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} MintyLightningMod.esp Active Improved Combat Sounds v2.1.esp Active Realistic Lighting - Addon.esp Active Note: Obsolete. Update to latest version. Realistic Lighting.esp Active Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp Active Weapons and Armor fixes.esp Active Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp Active StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active Arrows of Magicka.esp Active Note: Use only one Arrows of Magicka*.esp Better Alchemy Loot.esp Active Birds.esp Active Birdsofskyrim.esp Active Bring Out Your Dead.esp Active Chesko_WearableLantern.esp Active Crafting300.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} Dwemer Spectres.esp Active EbonyCrownCraftable.esp Active ElvenCrownCraftable.esp Active Furbag.esp Active GlassCrownCraftable.esp Active Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active Immersive Patrols.esp Active Immersive Travelers.esp Active Immersive Brigands.esp Active Krisan's Children.esp Active Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - RCRN Legacy.esp Active UnlimitedBookshelves.esp Active Lost Art of the Blacksmith.esp lt_camping.esp Active Malkavs Collection.esp Active More Craftables.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}} Convertible Azura's Star.esp Active moredragonloot.esp Active NightsWatchArmor.esp Active People Have Torches.esp Active Populus.esp Active Realistic Wildlife Loot - Realistic.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} Note: Use only one Realistic Wildlife Loot - *.esp Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}} skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp Active Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Active TheBigBookofAlchemy.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}} TK_Placeable_Clutter.esp Active Convenient Horses.esp Active CrowdedCities.esp Active more_Travelers_light.esp Active Note: Use only one more_Travelers*.esp more_Travelers.esp Active Note: Use only one more_Travelers*.esp Footprints.esp Active iHUD.esp Active + MATHERIAN_VIKING_SHIELDS_SET +.esp Active Armor of Justice.esp Active aassassinscraftables.esp Active BaratheonArmor.esp Active Berserk Black Swordsman Armor.esp Active Note: Use only one version of Berserk Black Swordsman Armor BlackSacramentArmor.esp Active bobsarmory.esp Active Bucklers-Complete.esp Active Cloaks.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}} Note: Use only one cloaks*esp 1nivWICCloaks.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}} 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp Active Craftable Artifacts.esp Active Daedric Lord Armor.esp Active DarkNemesis.esp Active dbarrows.esp Active dbbownogloss.esp Active dbdagger.esp Active dbsword.esp Active DaggerCraft.esp Active DCR_Blade_Set.esp Active Doomshard Bow.esp Active Dragonbone Weapons.esp Active dragonpriestmasks.esp Active Dread Huntress Armor.esp Active Dread Knight Weapon Set.esp Active Divine Aegis.esp Active Divine Aegis Sword.esp Active DualSwords.esp Active Dwarven Condenser.esp Active DwarvenMech.esp Active DwarvenShooter.esp Active DwemerAutoBlade.esp Active DwarvenPowerArmor.esp Active DwemerRifle.esp Active DynamicLoot.esp Active Northborn Fur Hoods.esp Active EinherjarArmor.esp Active EternalShineArmorAndWeapons.esp Active Experimenter_Ring.esp Active Explosive Arrows.esp Active Gizmodian-Obliviweapons.esp Active gun.esp Active HeroicDwarven.esp Active hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}} Ivory.esp Active JoOsSkyrimKnightlyArmory.esp Active JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp Active KatanaCrafting.esp Active KO Katana.esp Active listernersarmorset.esp Active lordamor.esp Active Malo_Waffen.esp Active Masters of Death - Sicarius Armor (Standalone).esp Active MegaShields.esp Active Moar Kontent.esp Active MongolArmor.esp Active Newermind Bow Collection.esp Active Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp Active Oriental Weapon&Armor.esp Active Paladin.esp Active PowerOfTheGods.esp Active PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}} Quests-Timing Book.esp Active RealFireArrows.esp Active Ring of Himalayan Hauling v1.0.esp Active SabreCat_Gear.esp Active Scoiatael Weapons.esp Active ScoutArmor.esp Active ShieldsofSkyrimLists.esp Active Shining Paladin.esp Active Siege Bow & Backpacks.esp Active Silverlight Armor.esp Active TCOSS.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} tom349fistweapons.esp Active Tools of Kagrenac.esp Active TrissArmorRetextured.esp Active uruk.esp Active VHunterArmor.esp Active Vicious Heart.esp Active viciousdawnbreaker.esp Active Viking Weaponry.esp Active WarfighterArmory.esp Active warmagearmor.esp Active WeaponsOf3E.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}} WVExpansion.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} Dr_Bandolier.esp Active DeadlyDragonsSpells.esp Active quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp Active buildablehouse.esp Active CampsAndShipwrecks.esp Active Kynesguard.esp Active mannyDragonhead.esp Active moonpath_questdata.esp Active Murder01.esp Active quest_nomercy.esp Active Radiance.esp Active Run For Your Lives.esp Active quest_seaofghosts.esp Active Skyrim School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.esp Active quest_thebiggertheyare.esp Active Tundra Defense.esp Active SkyrimCoinReplacer.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}} no_quest_items.esp Active ArrowInTheEverywhere_Insane.esp Active Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Weightless).esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Weightless).esp Active Better Skill and Quest Books Names - BS.esp Active BetterQuestObjectives.esp Active Binocular Vision For NPCs while Sneaking.esp Active Brighter Campfires X20.esp Active DiversePriests.esp Active dynamic fires.esp Active DynamicMerchants.esp Active GoldenVendors.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}} Headtracking.esp Active LegionRequisition.esp Active dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp Active OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp Active SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp Active dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active dD-SkyrimMonsterMod EBT Patch.esp Active Spells Cast Light.esp Active VariousGuardReplacer.esp Active torches for RL (happy medium).esp Active Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets.esp dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active Note: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif. Derrax_Male_Werewolf_HUMANpenis.esp Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp Active Ancient Spells.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}} MidasSkyrim.esp Active Ghostifish-Magical Alchemy Harvest-o-tron.esp Active HitStop.esp Active Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp Active Note: Reported about some versions of this plugin cause frequent crashes. Use with caution and update to latest version. If You don't see frequent crashes in your game then ignore this message. Phenderix's Magic Evolved - No Perks.esp Active Note: Reported about some versions of this plugin cause frequent crashes. Use with caution and update to latest version. If You don't see frequent crashes in your game then ignore this message. SSAPBWK.esp Active DeadlySpellImpacts.esp Active DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp Active FNISspells.esp Active hankyench.esp Active The Dance of Death.esp Active decap 50.esp Active Killmove.esp Active kuerteeFightOrFly.esp Active Locational Damage.esp Active Crimson Tide - Blood.esp Active Incompatible with: dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp AT - Loot Arrows +100%.esp Active AT - Faster Arrows Improved +100%.esp Active AT - Merchants Arrows +100%.esp Active AT - Increased Progressive Damage (BS and CCO) +150%.esp Active AT - Recover +50% Arrows.esp Active MorePP.esp Active ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp Active race+.esp Active XFLDialogue.esp Active XFLPlugins.esp Active Follower Trap Safety.esp Active FollowerWander2.esp Active Note: XFLMain.esm has the same functional, but you can use FollowerWander2.esp on your choice. DudestiaMultiMarriages.esp Active moveit.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Active First Person Messages.esp WATER.esp Active WATER - Get Wet.esp Active Cartographers Map Markers.esp Active smakit_house_markers_plus.esp Active Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active V V Boss unrecognised mods V V These are currently just placed in-between the recognised mods and the bashed patch (at the bottom) Reveal hidden contents The following plugins were not found in the masterlist, and must be positioned manually, using your favourite mod manager or by using BOSS's user rules functionality. You can submit unrecognised plugins for addition to the masterlist directly from this log by clicking on a plugin and supplying a link and/or description of its contents in the panel that is displayed. ETaC - RESOURCES.esm Active CaneKatana.esp Active DEATH-DEALER-PKR.esp Active Dwemer Goggles & Scouter.esp Active MongolShield.esp Active NobleArtifactsForSkyrim_0.6_Eng.esp Active ZigurdzWarden.esp Active Armoury of Conan.esp Active DB Dragonbone Weapons.esp Active Solstheim Set.esp Active TheCallOfTheNorth.esp Active WarchiefsMight.esp Active LpotDHorse.esp Active BuryTheDead.esp Active Improved Artifacts.esp Active Gods smithing gift.esp Active master alchemy book.esp Active LPotD Armor.esp Active Better_enchanting_tables.esp Active Alchemy Apparatuses .95.05.esp Active BUE.esp Active RTSforSkyrim.esp Active ETaC - Villages Complete.esp Active Immersive Werewolves.esp Active quest_sorcery.esp Active Chrysamere.esp Active Forges of Skyrim.esp Active Running SKSE with the following Plugins. SKSE Version: 0.1.5.11 CFM_extensions.dll SKSE_Elys_Uncapper.dll Version: 1.14.2.1 also 5 of these mods were activated through steam workshops.These are quest mods and are as follows: quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp Activequest_sorcery.esp Active (unrecognised)quest_nomercy.esp Activequest_seaofghosts.esp Activequest_thebiggertheyare.esp Active Any help you guys could give me to resolve this problem would be massively appreciated. All the best Enigma.
AnkhAscendant Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 If it's crashing at random places/times and you can't duplicate it by going through the same spot, it's probably not actually a mod conflict, more likely something overloading your system or something such as stray scripts eating your RAM (unverified, I think I heard Moonpath was guilty of that, research it yourself because I don't want to badmouth good mod if it's not ^^; ). However, two things in your load order stood out: *You seem to have both Travelers.esp's active when they have a note to use only one. That would be a conflict.*Phenderix's magic plugins both have a note that they have been reported by some to cause frequent crashes. Have you tried deactivating them? Smaller things that stood out: 1. Quote FollowerWander2.esp ActiveNote: XFLMain.esm has the same functional, but you can use FollowerWander2.esp on your choice. - unnecessary mod 2. Quote Crimson Tide - Blood.esp ActiveIncompatible with: dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp - conflict 3. Quote Realistic Lighting - Addon.esp ActiveNote: Obsolete. Update to latest version. 4. you have a _lot_ of mods. x_x You didn't say how good your system is, but I know mine would shrivel up and die if I tried to load your list. Also, aren't you using like three completely different lighting mods? Does that work...? o_O (Ignore that comment if Claralux + Minty's lighting + realistic lighting all work fine and have a purpose, but it seems strange to me.)
gutshotenigma Posted October 4, 2012 Author Posted October 4, 2012 Hey AnkhAscendant, Thanks for the reply. I'm rather confused there to be honest.It's listing the esp's when they are deactivated. I only use the one blood mod. Enhanced blood textures. Both travellers being on is news to me, thought I got only one of them on :S I recently switched to the XFLmain for followers and changed to convenienthorses to switch out the many horse function mods and make it only one. (horse inventory,horse armour, horses for followers etc...) Minty is a lightning mod, they must have misspelt the esp XDBut i'll look into Claralux and Realistic. from what i know Realistic is part of the ESB Sup3rd esb which i favour.Is there a better one out there to replace it with? I've had no problem with the system side of things. Running:OS Version: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional System RAM: 8gb 1600mhz Dominator CorsairCPU Name: Intel® Core i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHzVideo Card Description: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti I think I've decided to un-install all the mods and start again from scratch.I'm also adding and changing a few more :O Going to start with the most needed.SkyUI,Better sorting, Immersive Hud. that sort of thing. Then add the texture pack changes, SkyrimHD2K etc Then any additional stuff. weapons & Armor and crafting stuff. Hopefully doing in stages will allow me to find the problems. And then
AnkhAscendant Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 On 10/4/2012 at 4:39 PM, gutshotenigma said: Hey AnkhAscendant, Thanks for the reply. I'm rather confused there to be honest.It's listing the esp's when they are deactivated. Ahh, yeah, it does list everything in your Data folder. I thought everything in your list was active. Disregard me then. On 10/4/2012 at 4:39 PM, gutshotenigma said: Minty is a lightning mod, they must have misspelt the esp XDBut i'll look into Claralux and Realistic. from what i know Realistic is part of the ESB Sup3rd esb which i favour.Is there a better one out there to replace it with? Nope, it says Lightning, I just misread it ^^; ("Lighting", "lightning", same thing, right? :P ) I can't help with ENBs, my poor game ran in slo-mo when I tried to activate one even at lowest settings. Now I just look on with envy. I honestly don't know if having two lighting mods active at once would actually cause problems, or even if Claralux and Realistic actually clash, it just seemed odd. On 10/4/2012 at 4:39 PM, gutshotenigma said: I've had no problem with the system side of things. Running:OS Version: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional System RAM: 8gb 1600mhz Dominator CorsairCPU Name: Intel® Core i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHzVideo Card Description: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti I think I've decided to un-install all the mods and start again from scratch.I'm also adding and changing a few more :O Going to start with the most needed.SkyUI,Better sorting, Immersive Hud. that sort of thing. Then add the texture pack changes, SkyrimHD2K etc Then any additional stuff. weapons & Armor and crafting stuff. Hopefully doing in stages will allow me to find the problems. That should do it. Apparently that's a good practice anyway (well, one at a time is actually best practice, but in stages is much better than willy-nilly.) Of course, I never really do the research-and-playtesting procedure, which is why I had to do the same thing myself a couple weeks ago... I hope you isolate your problem and it turns out to be not too serious.
gutshotenigma Posted October 4, 2012 Author Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) Yeah i think i got a little bit to willy nilly and started throwing far to much stuff on,May have had some overwrite conflicts along the way or something. From what i understand.CLARALUX (why the caps i dont know) Is a lighting configuration. It improves the Light output of all torches and adds torches and lights to forts,roads town and such.It is compatible with all enbs. Just going to take it one step at a time.I'll keep this updated as i go. Ok plan of attack activate batch of mods.Playtest 30-60 mins. If everything ok. Carry on with next batch.Repeat til problem arises. Look deeper into activate mod batch,Scour crash and script reports.deal with problem. rinse repeat. Edited October 4, 2012 by gutshotenigma
cramlow Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 Enlightening thread. I noted that it was mentioned: "Scour crash and script reports.deal with problem." Can someone please advise me what script reports or logs can I look at to help determine what my possible crashes may be due to? I too have recently rebuilt Skyrim for the 6th time to gently add mods and playtest. It's very cumbersome, but wholly necessary it seems and having reports or logs would be extremely helpful. Also, does anyone know if it still makes sense to somehow combine mods/esp/esm and what tool may be used? The example I have is with the CK I have modded some NPCs and changed some attributes and that's created a esp each time that I'd like to combine if that help eliminate CTDs/freezes.
gutshotenigma Posted October 4, 2012 Author Posted October 4, 2012 Reasonably sure that Both BOSS and Wrye Bash can make some crash reports as long as select the function to do so in the settings. not entirely sure where they put them too, I found some in mydocs/skyrim/logs/scripts found some paparus logs there. But wether or not they are the proper crash reports not sure? :S
cramlow Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 Thanks for the reply. How about for combining mods?
gutshotenigma Posted October 4, 2012 Author Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) Oh you mean like a bashed patch?I still use the same thing i have since Oblivion.Wrye Bash.Excellent program compatible with SKSE,BOSS and deals with installation,load order and launching if you want it too. Right beginning my playtest with first batch: Reveal hidden contents Skyrim.esm Active Update.esm Active SPIKE.esm Active Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active iHUD.esp Active no_quest_items.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Weightless).esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Weightless).esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp Active BetterQuestObjectives.esp Active Headtracking.esp Active dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp Active dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active race+.esp Active Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Active First Person Messages.esp Active Cartographers Map Markers.esp Active Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active will update after a 30 minute play test *EDIT*First Test and no problems what so ever.If however a stark reminder at how different skyrim looked to how it was modded :D Onto the next batch adding....... SkyrimHD2K Full texture pack.(Got overwrite conflict errors with Static Mesh Improvement)Xenius Character EnhancementVisible WindowsSpells will give off lightSoul Gem RetextureSilly Level of Detail (Potions,Posions And Wine Cellar)No More blocky facesLore based loading screensImproved NPC Clothing. (some overwrite conflict with a few textures on HD2K)Height Adjusted Races with real giants.Glowing Ore VeinsEthereal Elven OverhaulEnhanced Night Sky (Galaxy and high stars)Enhanced Distance TerrainCover Khajits (Male and Female)Better MalesCalientes females.Realistic LightingBetter Dynamic SnowAnd Footprints. New Load Order looks like this.... Reveal hidden contents Skyrim.esm Active Update.esm Active SPIKE.esm Active Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active Realistic Lighting.esp Active StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp Active Footprints.esp Active iHUD.esp Active no_quest_items.esp Active Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Weightless).esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Weightless).esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp Active Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp Active BetterQuestObjectives.esp Active Headtracking.esp Active dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp Active Spells Cast Light.esp Active dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active Ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp Active race+.esp Active Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Active Basvanbeu MuscleTextureChanger with Navetsea set.esp Active Height Adjusted Races with True Giants v4.esp Active First Person Messages.esp Active Cartographers Map Markers.esp Active Bashed Patch, 0.esp Off to test..... tested second batch no problems, Apart from some mods messing with the skins of the improved meshes.Will reinstall body mods and hopefully will fix the problem, Needless to say the results were quite horrifying :SOther than that all the mods are working and looking good. Skyrim is slowing becoming easier on the eye again.Will continue this tomorrow with more batches and testing Perhaps some screens if anyone is interested.. Edited October 4, 2012 by gutshotenigma
cramlow Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) Awesome infor man. I appreciate it. I will try Wrye per your recommendation this weekend and see how it goes. Indeed, I would like to see some screenies please. Edited October 5, 2012 by cramlow
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