[Mod Issue?] Character gone after enequiping body slot

[SayaScarlett]

So i've run into this issue for a while and it goes like this..

 

At points in the game (not specific, it's random) if i unequip my bodyslot item (i'm using Snakel's Synla Heels with HHS right now but i remember it happen with other body slot items) my entire character and anything else equiped goes completely invisible in third person. If i equip the bodyslot again, my character is back.

And i'm not talking chameleon style, there's no outline, nothing. Just POOF gone.

It's STILL THERE, i can move, shoot and everything but it's invisible 100%.

Also, this really weird sort of... square window (like a popup menu, although it's empty) shows up for just a second.. And i can't get a screen of it because of how quick it is and how random it is...

 

I just want some ideas as to what could cause this. I'm guessing either HHS, CBBE, Outfit?

It fixes itself after a restart but it is getting annoying

 

Here's my ESM, ESL and ESP list.

 

Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
ArmorKeywords.esm
Homemaker.esm
HUDFramework.esm
SettlementKeywords.esm
SimSettlements.esm
LadyKillerBed.esp
Rebuilt_SeriesPrewarHouses.esp
BostonFPSFixAIO.esp
Rebuilt_HomePlate.esp
SpectacleIsleBridge.esp
2 Fog Remover II (AIO) Recommended.esp
CheatTerminal.esp
Eli_Rockin Red Rocket.esp
AdvancedNeeds2.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion.esp
AA Better Companions - No Conflicts.esp
Enough About the Settlements Preston.esp
Armorsmith Extended.esp
CWSS Redux.esp
FusionGenerator.esp
KSHairdos.esp
LMBTOverlays.esp
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
LooksMirror.esp
NSA All-in-One.esp
NoAffinityCooldown.esp
RichMerchants.esp
SettleObjExpandPack.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
TheyWantThatAss.esp
ZellaHairDye.esp
eFFoodPlanters - High.esp
LooksMenu.esp
HN66Fo4_EasyGirl_BS.esp
AA HotC - Standalone.esp
Mercs and safe passage.esp
DavesPoses.esp
EFF.esp
Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp
Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp
Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects.esp
le666piercings.esp
SSEX.esp
Toxic Raider Armour.esp
CustomCamera.esp
FO4HHS.esp
AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
Heavy Metal Heels.esp
Heavy Metal Princess.esp
HN66Fo4_Nails.esp
Glowing Eyes.esp
HAAS Automatron Replacer AE Edition.esp
HAAS Core Replacer AE Edition.esp
HAAS Far Harbor Replacer AE Edition.esp
HAAS Nuka World Replacer AE Edition.esp
CleanSettlement.esp
FlirtyCommonwealth.esp
IcebreakerCDO-Settlements.esp
Smoke-able Cigars.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting - Smoke-able Cigars TAGS.esp
RohZima_RealAnimatedPoses.esp
BetterJunkFences.esp
FemsheppingsPorts_LeahLilithAndKalilies_AWKCR_AE.esp
HN66Fo4_EarringsV1.esp
HN66Fo4_Rings.esp
AdvancedNeeds2_Expansion_01_Ghoulified.esp
AdvancedNeeds2_Patch_CWSS.esp
AdvancedNeeds2_Patch_DLC.esp
Fog Remover II - Far Harbor Only.esp
Fog Remover II - Smoke Only.esp
Fog Remover II - Steam Only.esp
ApalLeotard.esp
Insignificant Object Remover.esp
DynamicInteriorFogRemoval.esp
HidePipboy.esp
CBBE.esp
Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp
StartMeUp.esp

 

 

EDIT: I've looked around and it seems it's a memory issue of some sorts or something? Seems opening up another game and then going back to fallout it fixes the issue for a while? If anyone can confirm this it would be much appreciated.

Edited September 20, 2019 by SayaKoRn

[G4M3W1NN3R]

2 potential causes here.

 

1. Because its high heels that means it must include a reference body, as such if you attempt to equip another piece of clothing or armor, that also includes the reference body this could cause issues, although character model invisibility is unlikely in this scenerio.

 

and 2. the more likely cause to the issue, is a biped slot conflict or the armor addon entry biped slot does not have the exact same slots as the armor it self (this includes any piece of clothing, armor and accessories, basically anything that would be classed as clothing/armor/attire) <-- (character model invisibility is extremely likely in this scenario)

 

i have a feeling that pop up box is connected to the issue.

 

lastly what else is your character wearing with the high heels, to see if their is a conflict their. <-- i ask this because you said the issue is random, so this warrants the question are you equipping other pieces of gear with the heels and that maybe causing the invisibility issue. if so this would no doubt be a biped slot issue or bodyslide issue, where the author of either mod may have failed to delete the skeleton data. which will cause issues on its own, potentially causing the character to go invisible when equipping said gear due to a conflict.

 

Note: Gear refeers to clothing, armor, accessories, etc etc, going to use the word gear so it saves me writing them 3 every time xD

[SayaScarlett]

I'm wearing Snakel's Synla Heavy Metal Heels with some EasyGirl mini dress, thong, wrist bracelets and upper "arm rings". Also HN66's rings, earrings and nails. I'm also using Zaz-Extended Skeleton, forgot to throw that in the list.

 

Haven't played again yet but i'll test a bit with the outfits, maybe rebuild them all again in bodyslide, i don't know =/

 

Edit: I feel the need to stress that my character goes invisible after UNEQUIPING the heels, not when equiping them. It's weird because i've been using them for a while. Maybe it's High Heel System? I'm at a complete loss here..

 

Edit2: Building outfits again did nothing. Can confirm though that body stays gone no matter what i equip UNLESS it's the Synla Heels. EasyGirl did nothing.

Also something really weird happened when (while naked/invisible) i went to craft other stuff to try on...

 

https://imgur.com/sTOGDAx

Edited September 21, 2019 by SayaKoRn

[G4M3W1NN3R]

this is a very strange issue, equipping gear i would usually expect the body to disappear, not un-equipping.

 

i will download said mod, and have a look at it inner workings as well as test it in game to see if i can replicate the issue you are facing.

 

i have had quite a few issues with a lot of his stuff (very recent since i found his stuff). first sign is the fact that his esp work is straight up duplicates which is not good.

 

i also suspect his stuff conflicts with mods like Armorsmith extended and AWKCR, due to some mods crashing in the armor workbench, and his assassin outfit straight up crashes when you equip it.

 

so with that in mind, i would not be surprised if said mod is having issues with the zaz skeleton as well.

 

Edit: Downloaded the Heels, Tested all 6 of em, and i cannot replicate the issue, (un-equipping them and equipping causes no issue) however i did observe an issue with the Fallout 4 HHS, unequpping the heels, causes the HHS to still be in effect. i believe this may very well be connected to your issue. (all other mods i have tested that use the HHS does not have this same issue, which means the heels in question are being applied permantly to the character, which could explain the issue you are having, all other mods i have tested, unhooks from the HHS upon being unequipped, meaning the character height immediatly reset back to default, however unequipping said heels has my character still being at the boosted height)

 

now because of that, this then brings in biped slots as a potential issue. because the heels are classed as being equipped even when unequipped, their biped slots could very well also be used, so any mod that uses the same biped slots will cause conflict. and ofcourse being heels they would be using the Body Biped Slot. so the majority of other clothing and armor would be overridden since pretty much every outfit will use the Body Biped slot. Especially Torso Armor, and Full Outfits.

 

Additional Information: i downloaded the Heavy Metal Heels + HHS Bodyslide (the original bodyslide file is not needed, thus ignored, since hhs bodyslide is the bodyslide files you want for HHS and the heels themselves) i also have his Heavy Metal Princess mod, which i feel is a requirement for this mod (its not, but i feel like it is xD).

 

and the mods i have that are relevant are: CBBE + HHS, these are the only relevant mods i have. i do not have any other body based replacer or skeleton mods. so any of these mods you have could also play a role, specifically ZAZ, could be conflicting with said mod or vice versa.

 

the Heels was the only clothing i gave my character, due to the fact i am only testing the heels. and you mention the heels themselves are causing the issue for you.

 

Lastly on to the image:

 

that is a mesh based issue. hard to tell due to the image being blurry (disable bokeh to have a clear vision when in menus) could also be connected to the issue. most likely given the fact its a mesh issue.

 

so first of all, try disabling ZAZ and see if the issue persists,

 

also try loading the game via the Fallout4.exe, to disable HHS and see if the issue persists (this will ofcourse disable all F4SE Plugins, but we want this to rule out any F4SE plugin as being an issue), so we can defintely rule out HHS as being a potentional issue.

[SayaScarlett]

I see, was getting the impression it may be connected to Zaz in some way mixed in with Snakel's outfits...

*sigh* I'd really hate to stop using those heels... I really REALLY love them /sadpepe

 

Anyways, i'll try first Fallout4.exe and then i'll try removing Zaz...

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me find the issue.

 

Edit1: Run Fallout4.exe and body was back... my screen then got really weird and couldn't see anything though but i could see my body the moment the save loaded. Trying with f4se but wihout Zaz now...

 

Edit2: It was definetly Zaz. After removing it my body is back and i can equip and unequip the heels without it dissapearing. But now there's another issue... the heels are below ground level. HHS needs a skeleton so i'll try the CBBE knee fix one and see how that goes..

 

Edit3: No matter what skeleton i use, body goes invisible after unequipping the heels or simply loading in naked. Also, managed to read what that pop-up menu says at the top left and it's "Tech Tree" although there's nothing else, just a green empty square.

Back to the skeletons.. should i change the reference skeleton in the Bodyslide settings? Could that be the issue?

I'm definetly out of ideas already...

Anyways, again, thank you.

Edited September 22, 2019 by SayaKoRn

[G4M3W1NN3R]

oh yea, i am indeed also running the CBBE Type 2 Knee fix, which does indeed include a skeleton.

 

So the Relevant mods i am using are: CBBE + HHS + CBBE Type 2 Knee Fix. nothing else that is of relevance.

 

Mods that use the Skeleton.nif, should always be set up to use it in the Character Assets folder, so unless you are using a virtual drive, this should not be necessary to change it, since it should already be set up correctly. (Skeleton and Body files always go in the same place)

 

Note: I am using NMM which does not use a virtual drive. so that eliminates a very big potentional issue.

 

 

Lastly, what are you using to install mods. ? (i ask this to see if you are using a virtual drive) <-- if you are using Vortex or Mod Organizer 2, then you may very well be using a virtual drive, if so this then adds greatly into the equation, and could easily be the primary issue, or literally the actual issue.

 

 

if the above bit is not relevant, then i have a feeling your issue may be exclusive to the High heels system, and or a combination of mods with it,

 

to ensure this is a potential cause, try equipping the high heels from Easy Girl mod, and see if you get the same issue with them.

[SayaScarlett]

I use Vortex (which to be fair, has been running 10/10 so far), so yes, i have a virtual drive.

 

I just checked the Meshes->CharacterAssets folder in the Fallout directory and the skeleton is in there after installing it. Vortex may not be the issue...

 

Also, EasyGirl's heels don't use HHS yet so i can't use those to test anything. Gonna have to download some other heels to test.

 

Edit1: Uninstalling HHS brought back the body, same as uninstalling Zaz/CBBE KneeFix skeletons. There's definetly something wrong going on between those 2...

Edited September 23, 2019 by SayaKoRn

[G4M3W1NN3R]

I use Vortex (which to be fair, has been running 10/10 so far), so yes, i have a virtual drive.

 

I just checked the Meshes->CharacterAssets folder in the Fallout directory and the skeleton is in there after installing it. Vortex may not be the issue...

 

Also, EasyGirl's heels don't use HHS yet so i can't use those to test anything. Gonna have to download some other heels to test.

 

Edit1: Uninstalling HHS brought back the body, same as uninstalling Zaz/CBBE KneeFix skeletons. There's definetly something wrong going on between those 2...

 

the Virtual Drive is the issue here.

 

the 1 defining difference between both of our setups, is all of my mods are installed directly to the Fallout 4 Data Folder, where as yours is installed to a Virtual Drive.

 

i have absolutely no issues, with HHS and Heavy Metal Heels, and you are having issues with said mods.

 

their has been many posts with people having issues with virtual drives, this is not new. certain mods have problems loading when they are put onto a virtual drive.

 

and then take in the fact that F4SE absolutely Requires The Data Folder, which likewise means HHS must be in the Data Folder as well. so yea, i am adament the Virtual Drive is the Actual Issue, not the Skeletons or the mods (HHS + Heavy Metal heels)

[SayaScarlett]

Well, guess it's time to drop every mod into the Data Folder, i'll let you know how it goes...

 

Thanks again.

 

Edit1: Well.. now i feel dumb.. All mods installed and just running from f4seloader instead of vortex fixed the issue... I don't even......

 

Thank you SO MUCH for your help, seriously..

Edited September 23, 2019 by SayaKoRn

[G4M3W1NN3R]

happy to help :)