Is beauty lore-unfriendly?

[CasperTheLich]

Edited.................. Now that bit about having a hard time hitting someone when you’re to distracter by her hotness… well, I use to have a sparring partner I had the hots for, my instructor knew I had the hots for her and thought it would be good for me to figure out how to deal with distractions when in combat… as you’ve most likely guessed when I was sparring with her my performance was never really at its best when I was facing her, so that does at least lend some credence from my personal experience. She wasn’t even wearing anything all that revealing either. So just thinking what would have happened had she been wearing say… a bikini. Don’t even wanna think about that. (2nd degree black-belt in ninpo or ninjitzu as it’s better known, I know you were wondering)

 

LOL....You know I had been thinking to myself if someone is trying to kill you, what their wearing and how they look wouldn't be taken into consideration at that kind of point...but who really knows....Your example here caught my attention though, having faced the exact same situation in very similar Art (Ninjukai Taijitsui) ....though me being a female, mine is from a female perspective and who I was sweet on was an Instructor....yes, was rather distracting when I kept accidentally pulling front of his Gi (shirt) open when throwing him around.....Though I still wonder would I have felt so enamored if he was actually trying to kill me.

 

i've heard stories about that type of situation. at least one ended in a marriage. well, ok... it ended in marriage, then death, bloodbath, followed by more death and finally truely ending in a suicide.

[FishBiter]

I just thought of something interesting, in regards to skimpy armor. Am I correct in saying that there are historical accounts of celtic warriors fighting bare naked? And I mean completely bare naked, with just a claymore in their hands. Further, when I think of zulu warriors, they weren't even wearing armor, though they were using shields, though those shields were apparently like a piece of cardboard that you used to trap an enemy's weapon. Then of course there were all those brave lads who dueled in fancy shirts and trousers. I'm sure there's some more examples from asia, about samurai fighting off a bunch of guys while they themselves were only wearing a kimono... or just a fundashi... :sweat:

 

It seems we have real life examples or people getting in skirmishes or outright going to war in skimpy attire, or even no attire. Does this perhaps challenge the idea that skimpy attire is unrealistic or a death senteance?

 

Just some food for thought.

[bben46]

Putting on my Freud hat. :whistling:

 

Why do you think everyone should play the game based on your personal prejudices? Who made you the arbiter of what is right and what is not lore?

 

Lore is what the individual player wants it to be, NOT what some blue nose thinks it should be.

 

Play the game however you want. It's fantasy and in fantasy, there are no rules just fun. :thumbsup:

 

If I can make a space blaster fit lore (An earlier 'lore' post) I can make skimpy female armor fit lore also - use your imagination.

 

Here is a quick example of what can be done.

 

An entrepreneur from The Imperial City has just moved to Skyrim and brought the latest fad from the Big City. Super skimpy sexy armor only available for select women warriors. This armor is imbued with a magical essence that allows the same protection as similar heavy duty male armors of the same class, but with far less bulk and weight. Some of this is, of course magic, but some of the reduction in weight and mass is due to the cutouts in strategic places. Such as the midriff. A side effect is to make the wearer appear more lovely. Especially if she uses this super duper beautifying mod that will make even Mjoll the Lioness appear beautiful. Available today only for the low low price of just 200 Septums, BUT!! if you download right now, FREE! FREE! FREE! with the download of our super skimpy arrow and sword proof armor. (Note some conditions apply.) Due to absurd licensing restrictions this armor is not available for males, Kajits or players with blue noses. :teehee:

 

Yeah, marketing - don't tell me you haven't fallen for the same kind of sales pitch in real life. A competent marketing guru can make nearly anything appealing through the use of slick words and marketing tricks - Been there done that. Got the hole in my bank account to show for it. :confused:

[StayFrosty05]

 

 

 

Edited..........An entrepreneur from The Imperial City has just moved to Skyrim and brought the latest fad from the Big City. Super skimpy sexy armor only available for select women warriors. This armor is imbued with a magical essence that allows the same protection as similar heavy duty male armors of the same class, but with far less bulk and weight. Some of this is, of course magic, but some of the reduction in weight and mass is due to the cutouts in strategic places. Such as the midriff. A side effect is to make the wearer appear more lovely. Especially if she uses this super duper beautifying mod that will make even Mjoll the Lioness appear beautiful. Available today only for the low low price of just 200 Septums, BUT!! if you download right now, FREE! FREE! FREE! with the download of our super skimpy arrow and sword proof armor. (Note some conditions apply.) Due to absurd licensing restrictions this armor is not available for males, Kajits or players with blue noses. :teehee:...............................

 

 

I will be aiming to change that particular fact.....have been involved in an extended negotiation with the licensing board (CK), but I am sure perseverance will pay off and eventually be granted that said license.... :biggrin: ....two versions will be available upon request at that time.....revealing... :ohdear: ... :facepalm: ....and less revealing.... :happy:

[StayFrosty05]

I just thought of something interesting, in regards to skimpy armor. Am I correct in saying that there are historical accounts of celtic warriors fighting bare naked? And I mean completely bare naked, with just a claymore in their hands. Further, when I think of zulu warriors, they weren't even wearing armor, though they were using shields, though those shields were apparently like a piece of cardboard that you used to trap an enemy's weapon. Then of course there were all those brave lads who dueled in fancy shirts and trousers. I'm sure there's some more examples from asia, about samurai fighting off a bunch of guys while they themselves were only wearing a kimono... or just a fundashi... :sweat:

 

It seems we have real life examples or people getting in skirmishes or outright going to war in skimpy attire, or even no attire. Does this perhaps challenge the idea that skimpy attire is unrealistic or a death senteance?

 

Just some food for thought.

 

The Picts....(Scots)....fought in nothing more than body paint....there were certainly others and mention of others across the board, most often recorded by the Romans.... Though there has also be some confusion with Berserker's being mistaken for naked fighters also through mis-undertanding of the interpretation of 'Berserk' .....can't find my relevant books so Wikipedia:

 

"The name berserker arose from their reputed habit of wearing a kind of shirt or coat (Old Norse: serkr) made from the pelt of a bear (Old Norse: ber-) during battle.

 

The term comes from old Norwegian berserkr (plural berserkir), meaning bear shirt and suggests a robe. In earlier studies, the element ber- was often misinterpreted as berr-, meaning "bare", understood as indicating that the berserkers fought naked. This view has since been largely abandoned.[3]"

 

As you can imagine the confusion leads to across the board blanket statements being made for and against naked fighters....but the simple truth is there were, but their not to be confused with Berserkers.... :geek: ..... :happy: ....Beowulf the Geat it is said was in fact a Berserker....But anyways, that's my history lesson for the day.... :happy:

Edited October 25, 2012 by StayFrosty05

[BobTheBouncer]

I just thought of something interesting, in regards to skimpy armor. Am I correct in saying that there are historical accounts of celtic warriors fighting bare naked? And I mean completely bare naked, with just a claymore in their hands. Further, when I think of zulu warriors, they weren't even wearing armor, though they were using shields, though those shields were apparently like a piece of cardboard that you used to trap an enemy's weapon. Then of course there were all those brave lads who dueled in fancy shirts and trousers. I'm sure there's some more examples from asia, about samurai fighting off a bunch of guys while they themselves were only wearing a kimono... or just a fundashi... :sweat:

 

It seems we have real life examples or people getting in skirmishes or outright going to war in skimpy attire, or even no attire. Does this perhaps challenge the idea that skimpy attire is unrealistic or a death senteance?

 

Just some food for thought.

 

Absolutely, however one should always bear in mind..."Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should." ;)

 

There are many tales throughout history of highly-skilled individuals fighting off impossible odds, certainly some are true, probably many are not. I'm sure that for at least some of those tales there was a moment when the "hero" thought to themselves "ahh crap, I'm dead"....followed shortly by "wtf, how did I do that?!!". Pre-firearm era arms-race clearly shows a favoring of increasingly heavy armor, and this was for the simple reason that it worked. A well-trained and fully equipped (and mounted) knight was a terrifying foe for any unarmored person to face. Not something most sane people would choose to do unless they were equally well trained and/or the numbers, terrain and circumstances gave them some kind of edge.

 

 

Should be mentioned perhaps that metal armor is/ was horribly expensive. Most cultures that didn't use the heavier, more "complete" armors didn't have much of a choice, the materials simply were not available or were prohibitively expensive. I used to work in the armory business, you don't want to know how much a full suit of "working" plate costs..especially if you specify it is only to be made using traditional tools. (Good luck finding an armorer that won't use any modern tools at all, I only know one who might consider it, and his work is stupid money).

 

Dueling, as a formalized combat, had rules and restrictions in place to supposedly ensure a "fair fight". Later period duelists were again in the era of the gun and subsequently were less likely to be wearing armor even at times of war, as it was on it's way out as a practical defense.

 

Personally I like a little realism in my games....but I also like Dragons..go figure :)

[calfurius]

I just thought of something interesting, in regards to skimpy armor. Am I correct in saying that there are historical accounts of celtic warriors fighting bare naked? And I mean completely bare naked, with just a claymore in their hands. Further, when I think of zulu warriors, they weren't even wearing armor, though they were using shields, though those shields were apparently like a piece of cardboard that you used to trap an enemy's weapon. Then of course there were all those brave lads who dueled in fancy shirts and trousers. I'm sure there's some more examples from asia, about samurai fighting off a bunch of guys while they themselves were only wearing a kimono... or just a fundashi... :sweat:

 

It seems we have real life examples or people getting in skirmishes or outright going to war in skimpy attire, or even no attire. Does this perhaps challenge the idea that skimpy attire is unrealistic or a death senteance?

 

Just some food for thought.

 

Absolutely, however one should always bear in mind..."Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should." ;)

 

There are many tales throughout history of highly-skilled individuals fighting off impossible odds, certainly some are true, probably many are not. I'm sure that for at least some of those tales there was a moment when the "hero" thought to themselves "ahh crap, I'm dead"....followed shortly by "wtf, how did I do that?!!". Pre-firearm era arms-race clearly shows a favoring of increasingly heavy armor, and this was for the simple reason that it worked. A well-trained and fully equipped (and mounted) knight was a terrifying foe for any unarmored person to face. Not something most sane people would choose to do unless they were equally well trained and/or the numbers, terrain and circumstances gave them some kind of edge.

 

 

Should be mentioned perhaps that metal armor is/ was horribly expensive. Most cultures that didn't use the heavier, more "complete" armors didn't have much of a choice, the materials simply were not available or were prohibitively expensive. I used to work in the armory business, you don't want to know how much a full suit of "working" plate costs..especially if you specify it is only to be made using traditional tools. (Good luck finding an armorer that won't use any modern tools at all, I only know one who might consider it, and his work is stupid money).

 

Dueling, as a formalized combat, had rules and restrictions in place to supposedly ensure a "fair fight". Later period duelists were again in the era of the gun and subsequently were less likely to be wearing armor even at times of war, as it was on it's way out as a practical defense.

 

Personally I like a little realism in my games....but I also like Dragons..go figure :)

 

 

 

I'd like to add this point. In Skyrim we see that Nords prefer to use fur and leather (with a few preferring Steel) as the favored choice for protection. Nords are the most cold resistant race in the Elder Scrolls Series, that means that even if the most hardiest race used to freezing conditions still prefer some variation of protective armor (Whether it be from the weather or from enemies) there is very little excuse one could have for other races to wear skimpy armor.

[FishBiter]

Putting on my Freud hat. :whistling:

 

Why do you think everyone should play the game based on your personal prejudices? Who made you the arbiter of what is right and what is not lore?

 

Lore is what the individual player wants it to be, NOT what some blue nose thinks it should be.

 

Play the game however you want. It's fantasy and in fantasy, there are no rules just fun. :thumbsup:

 

If I can make a space blaster fit lore (An earlier 'lore' post) I can make skimpy female armor fit lore also - use your imagination.

 

 

Don't worry, we already covered this way early in the thread; first page in fact. No one here at any point was trying to tell anyone else what to do, I just asked people for their opinions, and they gave them. It seems everyone already knows that we can play the game however we like ( weird that that would be the case on a modding site o_O ), but thank you for chiming in :)

 

 

 

I will be aiming to change that particular fact.....have been involved in an extended negotiation with the licensing board (CK), but I am sure perseverance will pay off and eventually be granted that said license.... :biggrin: ....two versions will be available upon request at that time.....revealing... :ohdear: ... :facepalm: ....and less revealing.... :happy:

 

There actually are some skimpy armors for men... very skimpy... in fact, the only skimpy armor mod for men I came across rivals some of the skimpiest armor mods for women. Turns out we have a lot of skin-hungry femaled modders. I was glad to find the mod, because it would have bugged me if men weren't wearing skimpy light armors while women were, so thank you horny female modders! :D

Edited October 27, 2012 by FishBiter

[StayFrosty05]

 

 

 

I will be aiming to change that particular fact.....have been involved in an extended negotiation with the licensing board (CK), but I am sure perseverance will pay off and eventually be granted that said license.... :biggrin: ....two versions will be available upon request at that time.....revealing... :ohdear: ... :facepalm: ....and less revealing.... :happy:

 

There actually are some skimpy armors for men... very skimpy... in fact, the only skimpy armor mod for men I came across rivals some of the skimpiest armor mods for women. Turns out we have a lot of skin-hungry femaled modders. I was glad to find the mod, because it would have bugged me if men weren't wearing skimpy light armors while women were, so thank you horny female modders! :D

 

Yep, I am very well aware of those Armors.... :happy: ....though my personal preference is more towards 'suggestion' than 'outright' exposure....I find suggestion much sexier and that's what I will be aiming for, so quite different.....Such as hanging Wolf Tails replacing the skirting on fur Armor....front and back, sides exposed....the revealing having a peek-a-boo effect....partial exposure of the penis through a gap between the wolf tails...not framed....more the feeling of 'incidental/accidental'.... :wub: ....The less revealing being the same style, just minus that exposing gap (filled in...maybe four tails for exposing, five tails for covered)....That's the general idea anyway.

Edited October 27, 2012 by StayFrosty05

[FishBiter]

o_O Edited October 27, 2012 by FishBiter