Why Would You Vote For This Man?

[jaysus]

wow thats much to read finally lol... anyway just can remember some parts...

 

1st 80% of the taxes are payed by 20%... ive even seen numbers like 90% - 10%

but you should also mention that these 10% also own 90% of the property in the country and thus its absolutely implausible to ask the 90% who only own 10% to pay for those that own each and all

 

you say in the canadian healthcare system the poor pay the rich and you wait 6 month for a surgery...

actually it depends on your income how much you pay... if you are in need of surgery you still get it just that pointless ones like a nose straightening can wait...

 

you say the president is not to blame for americas problems...(lol btw hes the bloody president)... you say the jurisdication is... well maybe go a bit further and say the 10% who pay the taxes are those that make the laws, are in the jurisdiction, print the money, loan it to the us and profit from all this of course...

 

actually it doesnt matter a dime if you vote republican or democrat... or anyone else... that whole system is based on corruption and would fall apart if there was none

do you actually think any politican in our great "civilized" world gives a damn about its people? how could they if they are ceos of a global player whose main goal is to make money and to extend power not to bring salvation...

 

who got money from the government after the financial crashes around the globe? not those in need but the jerks that are responsible... aka the banks and friends or put the other way to themselves...

the funny thing is: those banks print the dollar or the euro and then loan it to the governemnt for distribution (which is also lead by those banks in terms of interest rates and holdbacks)... loans not them pay back but you the slave)

which then gives it away to those banks... basicly they get the money twice... for what? for screwing the world...

did any small company that employs jeff and joe get a penny? only one penny? how much did these banks get? over here it were 500.000.000.000 euro... thats approximately enough to feed the whole world of mcdonalds for 5-10 yrs...

 

and here we realize that that whole system is a plain farce... hillarious to stay optimistic...

 

ya sure and go on blaming the blacks that obama is presi now... even if they were mccain wouldnt be better a bit... actually i know the same amount of blacks that think obama is a moron and the other likes him... same for whites, reds, browns and indigos... just no mustached redneck...

[Michlo]

wow thats much to read finally lol... anyway just can remember some parts...

 

1st 80% of the taxes are payed by 20%... ive even seen numbers like 90% - 10%

but you should also mention that these 10% also own 90% of the property in the country and thus its absolutely implausible to ask the 90% who only own 10% to pay for those that own each and all

 

you say in the canadian healthcare system the poor pay the rich and you wait 6 month for a surgery...

actually it depends on your income how much you pay... if you are in need of surgery you still get it just that pointless ones like a nose straightening can wait...

 

you say the president is not to blame for americas problems...(lol btw hes the bloody president)... you say the jurisdication is... well maybe go a bit further and say the 10% who pay the taxes are those that make the laws, are in the jurisdiction, print the money, loan it to the us and profit from all this of course...

 

actually it doesnt matter a dime if you vote republican or democrat... or anyone else... that whole system is based on corruption and would fall apart if there was none

do you actually think any politican in our great "civilized" world gives a damn about its people? how could they if they are ceos of a global player whose main goal is to make money and to extend power not to bring salvation...

 

who got money from the government after the financial crashes around the globe? not those in need but the jerks that are responsible... aka the banks and friends or put the other way to themselves...

the funny thing is: those banks print the dollar or the euro and then loan it to the governemnt for distribution (which is also lead by those banks in terms of interest rates and holdbacks)... loans not them pay back but you the slave)

which then gives it away to those banks... basicly they get the money twice... for what? for screwing the world...

did any small company that employs jeff and joe get a penny? only one penny? how much did these banks get? over here it were 500.000.000.000 euro... thats approximately enough to feed the whole world of mcdonalds for 5-10 yrs...

 

and here we realize that that whole system is a plain farce... hillarious to stay optimistic...

 

ya sure and go on blaming the blacks that obama is presi now... even if they were mccain wouldnt be better a bit... actually i know the same amount of blacks that think obama is a moron and the other likes him... same for whites, reds, browns and indigos... just no mustached redneck...

 

 

So what is the alternative to staying optimistic?

[hoots7]

Many people want to be a part of something so bad that they would believe anything they're told.

or ignore any facts they are presented with.

Obama's speeches have inspired many people in a time of stress... this is exactly what Hitler did.

 

Let's start with a few points of why people like Senator Obama. The number one reason is obvious, his charisma. His speeches on "Hope and Change" inspire the masses of people who know nothing about politics. The 2nd reason is that he's black. Obviously the Democrats nominated him to target the black community, who barely voted before in the first place. This makes people like how he's different, which proves nothing about if he's a good politician or not. Not to mention his extreme lack of experience. 3 years in the Senate? Give me a break, that's less time than high school.

You are absolutely right right, I couldn't vote for him in good conscious even if I wanted to, due to the lack of qualifications, he even admitted it himself, that's what's so funny about it.

The only way to make America better is if we all know what's best for our country. Leeching free handouts out of the government is not the solution. The only way to improve our economy is with hard work, and smart financial management of the people as well as the banks. Be a responsible American, work hard, and don't take loans you can't pay back. It's not the government's job to compensate you for your screwups. If you truly believe that America is a bad country, then you might as well move to France...

well said the bail out was a bad idea, now the auto makers want some too.

 

I told my kids after the election that the good news is America has finally voted in it's first black president, it's been a long time coming.

And the bad news is that unfortunately it just so happens to be Barack Hussein Obama.

[hoots7]

I'm extremely politically informed and I plan a law career of my own. Your dissertation just shows your own ignorance. I have no experience at all and I would have been a better president than Bush, I'm quite certain of that. What experience did Lincoln have? What experience did Washington have? Do you know any history, or do you think Reagan was a great president?

Abraham Lincoln was a state senator and a national congressman, George Washington was a general and Ronald Regan was a the governor of California my "extremely politically informed" friend.

And YES Ronald Regan was the one of if not the best president we have ever had; he ended the cold war by bankrupting the U.S.S.R. and not firing a shot, that brilliance and balls of steel.

We accept too many things as too hard to change, we profess things on one hand, like belief in a free market, but we haven't practiced free market economics for at least 20 years. We've been bailing out big corporations for a hundred years in fact, but I remember Chrysler, Lockheed and Neil Bush's S&L fiasco. That's not a free market, a free market lets companies die when they are mismanaged, no longer viable, or obsolete.

You are correct, I remember Chrysler also, it should have never been done and never repeated especially on the scale of the latest buyout.

 

Asking people to make sacrifices is one thing but taking a person's money and giving it to some one else ("spreading the wealth") is wrong.

 

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1) Abortion- Life isn't a pretty place, and we must choose the lesser of two evils. Sometimes, the birth of a child will only bring economic hardship to the parents and the child. If the parents don't want the child, the child will likely feel responsible for hurting them for the rest of its life, and that is something I wish to force on no one. Nature is a prime example that we do what is right, not prevent what is wrong. In nature, thousands of animals suffer horrible painful deaths daily. And yet, without this, life could not exist, and humanity could not exist either. It is a sacrifice for a broader perspective.

How is this any different than what Adolph Hitler did except they were in a different part of the world and some were older?

This seem monstrous to me.

 

Their is only one innocent person involved in a pregnancy and that's the child so why kill them?

What about adoption? You never even mentioned that, there are so many couples just longing to have a child to love and raise and you want to kill them, how sick.

[Stampede]

Please refrain from name calling. Lets keep the debate civil.

 

Stampede

Moderator

[herosinger]

I've only got two things to say, hoots.

 

1) Using Obama's middle name in the manner you did indicates an extremely prejudiced attitude towards Muslims.

 

2) We've been "spreading the wealth" for some time now. Reagan did it. McCain would have done it. Don't recite campaign slogans if you don't understand them.

[Michlo]

I'm extremely politically informed and I plan a law career of my own. Your dissertation just shows your own ignorance. I have no experience at all and I would have been a better president than Bush, I'm quite certain of that. What experience did Lincoln have? What experience did Washington have? Do you know any history, or do you think Reagan was a great president?

Abraham Lincoln was a state senator and a national congressman, George Washington was a general and Ronald Regan was a the governor of California my "extremely politically informed" friend.

And YES Ronald Regan was the one of if not the best president we have ever had; he ended the cold war by bankrupting the U.S.S.R. and not firing a shot, that brilliance and balls of steel.

We accept too many things as too hard to change, we profess things on one hand, like belief in a free market, but we haven't practiced free market economics for at least 20 years. We've been bailing out big corporations for a hundred years in fact, but I remember Chrysler, Lockheed and Neil Bush's S&L fiasco. That's not a free market, a free market lets companies die when they are mismanaged, no longer viable, or obsolete.

You are correct, I remember Chrysler also, it should have never been done and never repeated especially on the scale of the latest buyout.

 

Asking people to make sacrifices is one thing but taking a person's money and giving it to some one else ("spreading the wealth") is wrong.

 

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1) Abortion- Life isn't a pretty place, and we must choose the lesser of two evils. Sometimes, the birth of a child will only bring economic hardship to the parents and the child. If the parents don't want the child, the child will likely feel responsible for hurting them for the rest of its life, and that is something I wish to force on no one. Nature is a prime example that we do what is right, not prevent what is wrong. In nature, thousands of animals suffer horrible painful deaths daily. And yet, without this, life could not exist, and humanity could not exist either. It is a sacrifice for a broader perspective.

 

Their is only one innocent person involved in a pregnancy and that's the child so why kill them?

What about adoption? You never even mentioned that, there are so many couples just longing to have a child to love and raise and you want to kill them, how sick.

 

 

The needs of the parents outweigh those of a child most people believe is not an actual person yet, especially when they may be health issues. Also, for those wishing to adopt, we are already approaching the problem of overpopulation in much of this world, we don't need more unwanted children born.

 

At the end of the day YOU have no say over what a woman does with her body. Period.

[Ethre]

a child most people believe is not an actual person yet

 

The cause of most of the arguement - not all do.

 

At the end of the day YOU have no say over what a woman does with her body. Period.

I think you mean to say - "you should have no say".

For those who disagree with your first statement, its not just what a woman does with her body, its what she's doing with her, and her baby's, bodies.

[jaysus]

So what is the alternative to staying optimistic?

 

seeing it as it is... a corrupt state of systematic enslavement of the world with the actors being unaware of it mostly and even if they are they are tempted to go for the money instead of rightousness

 

everything is money oriented - xcept for those that control and print the money, those who know that the money they give everybody is just a tool and no a real currency

 

once one studies a bit the field of economics youll soon realize that movies like "zeitgeist addendum" (as critiziable as it is) is true to the core... (just so you dont start ranting i just repeat what that movies states... i made up my mind some 10 yrs ago back in school when we treated the topic of interest and money creation, banking systems and so on... actually we were even told why it has to be that way but nevertheless you realize somin is quite amiss)

 

if you ask for an alternative... well... abolish money, and give everybody back what is his... most property on this planet was aqquired using illegal means (war, theft, extortion, etc) and then turned into legality (mr kennedy for example made his wealth during the prohibitoin with al capone, clinton was financed by coke dealers... etc)

and things like water, animals, land and so on i truly believe are not the property of someone...

 

basicly what we need would a be a money free world, where the ressources are distributed to where they are needed and also protected as good as possible from extortion... and our planet has enough ressources to feed anyone whilst giving a damn about overpopulation or us having the need to live under bridges...

and if you now say where is the incentive to do poo if there is no pay... well then look at this page and realize that there are 1mil + mods all made for the people to enjoy for free...

 

nobody can lay in the sun doing nothing at all... mankind is made to do, to create and so on but all these "instincts" are gone once money comes into play and turns the evaluation of doings from necessicity and joy to plain acquisition of more wealth and being better than your neighbour which then results in discrimination, hate, anger and crimes

 

and sorry but i dont think thats how nature or god if you like intended us to be

 

removing this need to be a "sinner" (for the lack of a better word not in need to be censored) would also remove the need for abortions as there would be no poverty to be feared, no discrimination and so on which are the main reasons for abortion...

[hoots7]

I've only got two things to say, hoots.

 

1) Using Obama's middle name in the manner you did indicates an extremely prejudiced attitude towards Muslims.

"I told my kids after the election that the good news is America has finally voted in it's first black president, it's been a long time coming.

And the bad news is that unfortunately it just so happens to be Barack Hussein Obama."

I see no prejudice, it's his name; George Walker Bush, am I being prejudice now? John Sidney McCain, how about now?

You seem to have a problem with it, not me.

 

2) We've been "spreading the wealth" for some time now. Reagan did it. McCain would have done it. Don't recite campaign slogans if you don't understand them.

Give an example and help me "understand" please.