YouDoNotKnowMyName Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) Oh my ....Somebody used the p-word and all hell breaks loose ..... :laugh:Honestly I don't even know what's going on out there in the world, I have enough problems myself ....If I didn't read this, i probably wouldn't have noticed ...Anyway, I am back to modding Fallout 4 ... Edited October 19, 2019 by YouDoNotKnowMyName Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtoy Posted October 20, 2019 Author Share Posted October 20, 2019 No, it's not that simple. Actually, it is. The symbol in question is only banned in a few countries, and in most such places there are legal exemptions for things that qualify as "works of art" pending they are not being used to also promote an associated agenda. That's why use of the symbol is still present in a lot of media that casts it as "the enemy". Same point to address taryl80's argument. WW2 is not a "live" event. It's a historical one, and much of it has been settled. Skinheads are not representative of the current discussion matter. The point was a matter of honesty. The mod refused to have any comment section from the start, does not offer translation for any of it's contents outside of a single English statement, and consequently delivers it as a very misleading statement as to what it actually represents. Even with translation, it expressly avoids admitting or stating the fact that it's anti-Hong-Kong, talking only about a vague matter of violence against officers (while also ignoring violence against citizens). It's not that it's just an agenda piece, it's that it's a dishonest one that refuses to be upfront about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taryl80 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) You are right on one hand that the ww2 is history. The other site of the coin is, that many parts of ww2 still affect us today and that around the world. It will take some time before it is really just a historical topic like the roman, mongol, viking and hun wars. Personally I don't know what would be better. On 1 hand, I think it is good to talk about the ww2 as on any other historical topic. Aka. just what we think about it without any hard feelings. On the other hand, more and more people think today that some of the ideologies behind it were ok. So it has its reasons to hold it "alive", so that nobody forgets and thinks that it was just "another war". The pro hongkong mod btw. had his comment section open, like also the counterpart - the pro china mod, but both mods have closed their section. I don't know exactly why the pro china mod has closed its comment section, but the pro hongkong mod had some really weird pro china commentators in it and with weird I mean weird. 1 had even wish that more mass shootings happen in the assumed country of the mod creator (and that 1 day after such a shooting). So its understandable that he/she has lock and then taken out the comment section. No matter if you are pro china, or pro hongkong - comments like this crossing the line. If the mod creator, you mentioned was dishonest - I don't know, but that happens from time to time. Maybe he/she didn't know it better, or maybe he has done it on purpose and it is of course not good to be dishonest. Edited October 20, 2019 by taryl80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtoy Posted October 20, 2019 Author Share Posted October 20, 2019 The pro hongkong mod btw. had his comment section open, like also the counterpart - the pro china mod, but both mods have closed their section. I don't know exactly why the pro china mod has closed its comment section, but the pro hongkong mod had some really weird pro china commentators in it and with weird I mean weird. 1 had even wish that more mass shootings happen in the assumed country of the mod creator (and that 1 day after such a shooting). So its understandable that he/she has lock and then taken out the comment section. No matter if you are pro china, or pro hongkong - comments like this crossing the line. If the mod creator, you mentioned was dishonest - I don't know, but that happens from time to time. Maybe he/she didn't know it better, or maybe he has done it on purpose and it is of course not good to be dishonest.The pro-China mod never had it comment section open as far as I can remember. Even looked at on it's initial release.That, along with them only selecting a single thing to translate, and not qualifying the image or any of the rest of the content, leads directly to the problem of dishonesty. Also what you keep tangentially rambling about only highlights the problem and differences even more. You're bringing up the idea of people discussing and disagreeing with a subject. The problem is not that the Hong Kong is being discussed or not, it's that it's an active event happening as we speak, with dishonest propaganda like this mod popping up. Hence also the point that people might post some WW2 thing that people disagree with, but if it's not being used to promote such an agenda then it's not even fulfilling the same role. Even if it was pushing an agenda, if the mod author or commentators make open support for it then that means they are at least being honest about their propaganda. Which the same cannot be said bout the shirt mod here. Continuing to bring up these tangential dialogues as a consequence is only serving to undermine the acknowledgement of an active concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha8088 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 ... that the image they put on the shirt, though it says "I love Hong Kong" in English, is used as a pro-China control and anti Hong-Kong independence/democracy. Sounds like a false flag operation to have one meaning in English and an opposite meaning in Chinese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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