Old save loads mods, new save does not

[Joebotz]

This is a new issue for me I'm not sure what is happening but based on what I know about MO2 and modding fallout 4 this has to be something simple I am missing. This issue all began after installing https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/5080/? I made a huge mistake and did not check the bugs tab. After I installed this mod along with other weapon and clothing mods I encountered a strange issue where when I loaded my save I only had the vanilla Cbbe body along with some skin mods I installed. All modded weapon quests that were completed reset and all mods alerted me as if they were just installed with the pop up alerts such as snap n build. I removed the mod after finding out it was the culprit and to no surprise it still gave me the same error and did not load my mods. I completely reinstalled MO2, Fallout 4 and LOOT along with every single mod I was using as loading my backups did not fix the issue. After this complete reinstall my mods actually worked 100% I had all my weapons, armor and the quests for hunting down the new modded weapons were completed again, and the newly installed mod pop ups in game did not happen. I quicksaved my game and reloading the quicksave then every single mod disappeared again and back to the newly installed mod pop ups and the quests for modded weapons reset. All of my mods just disappeared after loading a quicksave. If I load the old save everytime my mods load up 100% correctly. If I save and continue on a new save I lose all of mods. I started a new character and moved all my old saves, I added a modded weapon to my inventory in vault 111 quicksaved. After I loaded the save I again had the same exact issue. The quests reset and the game did not recognize the weapon in my inventory. Anybody have any idea why this is happening and how to fix it I am out of ideas. The only constants are Fallout 4 is installed on my windows drive. MO2 is installed on my windows drive in a separate folder from program files. All the ini files were overwritten with new files as well.

 

Load order -

Fallout4.esm

DLCRobot.esm

DLCworkshop01.esm

DLCCoast.esm

DLCworkshop02.esm

DLCworkshop03.esm

DLCNukaWorld.esm

DLCUltraHighResolution.esm

SpringCleaning.esm

ArmorKeywords.esm

EthreonMasterPlan.esm

SettlementKeywords.esm

CROSS_CosmeticFramework.esm

BerettaM9FS.esl

Homemaker.esm

Robot Home Defence.esm

Snap'n Build.esm

TrueStormsFO4.esm

CBBE.esp

Realistic Roads - Black Asphalt.esp

m82a.esp

EAMR.esp

VIS-G Item Sorting.esp

Armorsmith Extended.esp

LagrieHelmet.esp

AnyModAnyWeapon2.esp

WOTC.esp

Armorsmith-LegendaryClothes-Compat.esp

Generalofthearmy.esp

Crossbow.esp

LovelyLadyLingerie.esp

EndorsCustomCombatArmor.esp

EndorsCustomCombatArmor_CFA.esp

Mercenary.esp

RaiderOverhaul.esp

AWKCR - dnCommonArmor dlc legendaries bugfix.esp

AE LLP - Lagrie Helmets - Raider Overhaul.esp

M2216.esp

ApalLeotard.esp

KnockBack Ragdoll Always.esp

WestTekTacticalOptics.esp

dD - MoreBloodandBits.esp

dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp

Toxic Raider Armour.esp

AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp

AdvBubbleTurretSet-RealNP.esp

AlternateFurniture.esp

AlternateSettlements.esp

Better Vendor Stalls.esp

MinutemenPropaganda.esp

Northland Diggers.esp

Northland.esp

NPC Spawner.esp

UniquePlayer.esp

Settle-SRR.esp

LegendaryModification.esp

LegendaryModification2LM.esp

Deathclaw Hunter Armor 2LM Nuka World.esp

NukaRadBans.esp

Eli_Utility Jumpsuits.esp

Glasses Galore.esp

LegendaryMod2LMAnyModAnyWeap.esp

LegendaryModification2LMAKPatch.esp

LegendaryModificationCSA.esp

LegendaryModificationGroknak.esp

LegendaryModificationMisc.esp

CROSS_Cybernetics.esp

CROSS_Cybernetics_NoRobotFootStepSounds.esp

CROSS_Uni_Scarf.esp

VisibleWeapons.esp

LegendaryModification Combined - 2LM and DLC's.esp

SuitDreams(1.Very Light).esp

SuitDreams(2. Light).esp

SuitDreams(3.Average).esp

SuitDreams(4.Heavy).esp

SuitDreams(5.Very Heavy).esp

DX Commonwealth Shorts.esp

DX Vault Girl Shorts.esp

rfortaleza2.esp

rfortaleza2-mk1.esp

AllDeathclawsGlow.esp

rfortaleza2-mk2.esp

rfortaleza2-mk3.esp

rfortaleza2-mk4.esp

rfortaleza2-mk5.esp

rfortaleza2-mk6.esp

rfortaleza2-pauldron.esp

rfortaleza2-wetsuit1.esp

HairVariations_Conversions.esp

HairVariations_Elegant.esp

HairVariations_FairyTails.esp

HairVariations_Sophisticate.esp

HairVariations_YoungAtHeart.esp

M9.esp

Friffy_Holstered Weapons.esp

HN66-SiriusArmor.esp

CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esp

Jacket.esp

KSHairdosExtra.esp

SleekStylesPack.esp

AdditionalHairColors.esp

512StandaloneHairColors.esp

LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp

LooksMenu.esp

ScrapButton.esp

F4NV-AMR.esp

G36Complex.esp

HandmadeAntiMaterielRifle.esp

F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp

WattzLaserGun.esp

RugerAC556.esp

HaxAUG.esp

mk14.esp

Respawnable Legendary Bosses.esp

Wana_SA58.esp

Hard Legendary Giant Creatures.esp

ClassicSniper.esp

BerettaM9FS.esp

LeeEnfieldNo4MkI.esp

DX_Black_Widow.esp

AK74M.esp

AR70 Assault Rifle.esp

Reload Sounds.esp

USP Mod.esp

USP_Animation.esp

LeeEnfieldNo4MkI - VIS&AWKCR.esp

870.esp

fn five-seven v3.0.esp

P90.esp

P90NPC.esp

RU556.esp

Krebs.esp

ehtyeci_MPX.esp

MercenaryCBBEPatch.esp

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Power Armor Carry Capacity.esp

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - AWKCR Power Armor.esp

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - No Crafting Perks.esp

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - AWKCR.esp

AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Ballistic Weave.esp

OCDispenser.esp

SC_ExpandedScrapList.esp

GR123 West Tek Tactical Gloves.esp

NomexGloves.esp

Faction_Berets.esp

Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp

Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects.esp

Robot Home Defence - Settlement Keywords.esp

Workshop_Planters.esp

BrighterSettlementLights.esp

FO4 Seasons - Spring - AllDLC.esp

SSC.esp

CustomCamera.esp

mcgFemaleWalk.esp

mcgFemaleWalk-Granny-eng.esp

mcgFemaleWalk-Granny-ru.esp

Auto Hide Crosshair.esp

Grhk_V3PW_VIS-G_Patch_v1.1.esp

Grhk_V3PW_VIS-G_Patch_v1.1_FriffyWeaponsAddon.esp

Cait Bandolier Standalone.esp

Cait Bandolier Craftable - Chem Station.esp

FO4Hotkeys.esp

AgentBreaCorsetBlack.esp

J&C - Jackets on NPC.esp

rfortaleza2_AE.esp

TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp

TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp

WestTekTacticalOptics-AWKCR.esp

MoreCustomEyes.esp

MoreCustomEyes2.esp

AK2047.esp

M14.esp

GaussRifleMk2.esp

GaussRifleMk2 - AWKCR.esp

ASVektor.esp

NanoSuit.esp

BattleRifle.esp

Bozar.esp

Jake'sMod.esp

Yona_Weapon_DefenseGun.esp

ClassicSniperCombatScopes.esp

ClassicSniperSounds.esp

ClassicSniperVisibleWeap.esp

BullpupBozar.esp

SVT40.esp

SVT40-AWKCR-VIS.esp

SVT40-2xDMG.esp

Mosin.esp

F4NVServiceRifleRedux_AWKCR.esp

ReconPack.esp

1CAS_serviceRifle.esp

R91M.esp

SpetnazRifle.esp

Vault-Tec Workshop Overhaul.esp

SSEX.esp

TSW.esp

rtactical.esp

rtactical-ArmorsmithExtended.esp

Eli_Accessories.esp

HAAS Automatron AE 2LM Edition.esp

HAAS Nuka World AE 2LM Edition.esp

Lacy Underwear.esp

WeaponsOnBack Addon.esp

Craftable Armor Size - Fix Material Requirements.esp

Minutemenoverhaul.esp

OCDecorator.esp

OCDecoratorDLC.esp

MO_Propaganda.esp

OCD_MO_Patch.esp

HAAS Core AE 2LM Edition.esp

Craftable Armor Size.esp

AK400.esp

MP7.esp

DOOMDesertEagle.esp

HK_MP5.esp

HK_UMP.esp

3dscopes-ccamr.esp

3dscopes-pack1.esp

3dscopes-pack2.esp

3dscopes-pack3.esp

3dscopes-pack4.esp

3dscopes-patchpack.esp

3dscopes.esp

MGSOutfit.esp

Kerrigan.esp

KerriganColorChange.esp

KerriganGlasses.esp

NanoSuit_AWKCR_AE.esp

zWGirlClothSimply.esp

WastelandFashionBandanasBlindfolds.esp

EndorsCustomCombatArmor_AE.esp

J&C Outfit fix.esp

EndorsCustomCombatArmor_AzarHair.esp

EndorsCustomCombatArmor_Valdacil.esp

Colossus.esp

cutoffs-calyps.esp

Harness-calyps.esp

tumbajamba Advanced Engineering.esp

GaussRifleMk2 - tAE - AWKCR.esp

EndorsCustomCombatArmor_BoSKit.esp

GaussRifleMk2 - tAE.esp

Armormsith All DLCs Patch.esp

HAAS Far Harbor AE 2LM Edition.esp

Marine Armor Expanded.esp

EndorsCustomCombatArmor_VaultSuitDLC_AE.esp

DOOMMerged.esp

FemsheppingsPorts_LeahLilithAndKalilies_AWKCR_AE.esp

ww2german.esp

ww2german_opt.esp

Survivalist.esp

KSHairdos.esp

EveryonesBestFriend.esp

Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp

EnclaveX02.esp

VisibleCompanionAffinity.esp

Radiant Clouds and Fogs.esp

K9TacticalHarness.esp

MojaveImports.esp

SCAR-L.esp

rpampas.esp

HN66S Sirius.16 Armorsmith Patch.esp

ModularKalash.esp

ColtDeltaElite_Standalone.esp

SA80.esp

DX_Banshee_Recon_Armor.esp

Rage_parasite_suit.esp

FV20_DreadHG.esp

EroSeleneFO4-CBBE-10-Color-Options.esp

ACR-W17.esp

TERARogue.esp

DeluxeGlasses.esp

[StormWolf01]

Hi Joebotz! Welcome aboard.

I see that this is your first post, so before we start, I'm going to just say something. It's not a criticism, it's just advice.

Fist, when you post your load order, please put them in spoiler tags. Like this [.spoiler] Text here[./spoiler] (without the periods in there. I have to add the periods, or you won't be able to see the tags that I use.)

And a favor, please. Please don't use the highlight like that. That, with the combination of your post being all just one big block of text, it drove my dyslexia into a frenzy. I had to copy your post to notepad, and read it from there.

 

It sounds to me, like when you reinstalled your mods, that you forgot to edit your .ini files, that will enable some of the files to be used, that mods use. The ones that have scripts, that start off when you hit a certain point, aren't firing. To me, I think it's because your ini files aren't set up to allow them to.

 

In your computer, go to

C:\Users\xxx\Documents\My Games\Fallout4 (XXX being your username)

double click on your Fallout4.ini file, and choose to open it with notepad.

Once the file is open, press and hold ctrl and tap the F key on your keyboard.

search for ARCHIVE

make sure that there are two lines in archive that look like this

 

bInvalidateOlderFiles=1
sResourceDataDirsFinal=

Those lines may already exist in your ini file,but have different values after the = sign. If they have different values, set them to look like what I just posted. If the line doesn't appear in your ini file, you need to add it into the file, under the [ARCHIVE] section. For simplicity, I always just keep the two of them on top of each other, just like I posted it.

 

Hope this helps :)

 

A lot of these mods that you are describing use scripts to trigger an event. In this case, the start of a quest. Once they've activated, script information gets written into your savegame. Something that we call baking. (The scripts are baked in, to be precise). So they will be there everytime you load the save game. Whether the mod is still there, or not.

(This can be bad, if the mod has been removed).

But in the case of the clean save, the scripts aren't baked in, and your ini files aren't set up to allow the game to access the scripts that trigger the quests for them.

[Joebotz]

I appreciate the quick response unfortunately this has already been done. My fallout4custom.ini looks like this. I also placed the commands in my fallout4.ini file as you stated and it still would not work.

 

[Display]

iLocation X=0

iLocation Y=0

 

 

[Launcher]

bEnableFileSelection=1

uLastAspectRatio=1

 

 

[Archive]

bInvalidateOlderFiles=1

sResourceDataDirsFinal=

 

Sorry about the highlight was not paying full attention when I posted. A simpler way to explain my issue is I have an old save that recognized the mods after re installation. When that old save loads the mods work with no errors or problems at all. If I go to save the game in anyway whether it be quick save or manual save, if I proceed to load that brand new save ahead of the older save file all of the mods disappear except for the baked in scripts that you mentioned.

[Joebotz]

Update for the issue found what was in my ini file under the archive section in my fallout4.ini

[Archive]

sResourceIndexFileList=Fallout4 - Textures1.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures2.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures3.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures4.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures5.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures6.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures7.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures8.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures9.ba2

sResourceStartUpArchiveList=Fallout4 - Startup.ba2, Fallout4 - Shaders.ba2, Fallout4 - Interface.ba2

SResourceArchiveList=Fallout4 - Voices.ba2, Fallout4 - Meshes.ba2, Fallout4 - MeshesExtra.ba2, Fallout4 - Misc.ba2, Fallout4 - Sounds.ba2, Fallout4 - Materials.ba2

SResourceArchiveList2=Fallout4 - Animations.ba2

sResourceDataDirsFinal=STRINGS\

SGeometryPackageList=Fallout4 - Geometry.csg

SCellResourceIndexFileList=Fallout4.cdx

SResourceArchiveMemoryCacheList= Fallout4 - Misc.ba2, Fallout4 - Shaders.ba2, Fallout4 - Interface.ba2, Fallout4 - Materials.ba2

I also discovered if I quicksave with the modded item in my inventory and reload the save now the game ctd. I also edited the ini files via MO2 and still the same result.

I erased all of the above and placed

[Archive]

bInvalidateOlderFiles=1

sResourceDataDirsFinal=

Still did not work

[StormWolf01]

Hi Joe- Thanks for not using the highlight this time. My eyes and brain appreciate it :smile: No worries.

 

Ok, you said you erased ALL of the above? No, not what I meant at all, I'm sorry if you misunderstood. That's why your game crashed, because it needs to know what archives to look into. So everything EXCEPT the Strings after sResourceDataDirsFinal= needs to be in your ini file.

It's the Strings that needs to be deleted, and only that.

 

If that doesn't work, I will post my ini script and you can CnP that into your folder. I use the OLDER method of listing strings texture sounds, etc tho. Which can cause a bit of longer load time at your loading screens. I've tried the method of leaving sResourceDataDirsFinal= blank, and it doesn't aways work for me.

 

Let me know :smile:

Edited November 18, 2019 by StormWolf01

[Joebotz]

[General]

sLanguage=en

uGridsToLoad=5

uExterior Cell Buffer=36

bDisableAllGore=0

 

[screenSplatter]

bBloodSplatterEnabled=1

 

[Display]

iPresentInterval=1

bDeferredCommands=1

fShadowLODMaxStartFade=1000.0

fSpecularLODMaxStartFade=2000.0

fLightLODMaxStartFade=3500.0

iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048

bAllowScreenshot=1

fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=3500.0000

fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=2000.0000

fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000

bNvGodraysEnable=1

bDynamicObjectQueryManager=1

bMultiThreadedAccumulation=1

bMultiThreadedRenderingUNP=1

 

fSAORadius=108.2

fSAOBias=0.6

fSAOIntensity=7.1

 

fSunUpdateThreshold:Display=0.5f

fSunShadowUpdateTime=1.0

 

[HairLighting]

fHairPrimSpecScale=0.02

fHairPrimSpecPow=125.0

fHairPrimSpecShift=0.36

fHairSecSpecScale=1.2

fHairSecSpecPow=160.0

fHairSecSpecShift=-0.40

 

[sSSSS]

fSSSSSPower = 4.0

 

[Audio]

bEnableAudio=1

 

[interface]

fDefaultWorldFOV=70

fDefault1stPersonFOV=80

fSafeZoneX=15.0

fSafeZoneY=15.0

fSafeZoneXWide=64.0

fSafeZoneYWid=36.0

fSafeZoneXWide16x10=64.0

fSafeZoneYWide16x10=36.0

 

[MapMenu]

uLockedObjectMapLOD=16

uLockedTerrainLOD=32

 

[Controls]

fMouseHeadingXScale=.021

fMouseHeadingYScale=.021

 

[Grass]

iMinGrassSize=20

bAllowCreateGrass=1

 

[imageSpace]

bDoRadialBlur=1

 

[Weather]

bPrecipitation=1

 

[Archive]

sResourceIndexFileList=Fallout4 - Textures1.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures2.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures3.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures4.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures5.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures6.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures7.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures8.ba2, Fallout4 - Textures9.ba2

sResourceStartUpArchiveList=Fallout4 - Startup.ba2, Fallout4 - Shaders.ba2, Fallout4 - Interface.ba2

SResourceArchiveList=Fallout4 - Voices.ba2, Fallout4 - Meshes.ba2, Fallout4 - MeshesExtra.ba2, Fallout4 - Misc.ba2, Fallout4 - Sounds.ba2, Fallout4 - Materials.ba2

SResourceArchiveList2=Fallout4 - Animations.ba2

bInvalidateOlderFiles=1

sResourceDataDirsFinal=

SGeometryPackageList=Fallout4 - Geometry.csg

SCellResourceIndexFileList=Fallout4.cdx

SResourceArchiveMemoryCacheList= Fallout4 - Misc.ba2, Fallout4 - Shaders.ba2, Fallout4 - Interface.ba2, Fallout4 - Materials.ba2

 

[Papyrus]

fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0

bEnableLogging=0

bEnableTrace=0

bLoadDebugInformation=0

 

[LOD]

fLODFadeOutMultObjects=4.5000

fLODFadeOutMultItems=2.5000

 

[Pathfinding]

fWarpMaxTime=4

iWarpMaxPathFailureCount=3

[Water]

bReflectLODObjects=0

bReflectLODLand=0

bReflectSky=0

bReflectLODTrees=0

 

This is now what my fallout4.ini file looks like I have 2 fallout4.ini files in 2 locations listed below

 

C:\Users\Joebotz\Documents\My Games\Fallout4

 

C:\Modding\MO2\profiles\Default

 

I also have a file called initweaks.ini located in C:\Modding\MO2\profiles\Default. The only command located inside is bInvalidateOlderFiles=1. I added to this ini sResourceDataDirsFinal= and it was overwritten on game start.

 

My next question is how could the game load the mods perfectly after loading an old save that the mods used to work on then not be able to pull them once I create a new save game. Is there any other possibility other than the ini files? Another note the game still ctd even without erasing the entire archive section of the ini.

Edited November 19, 2019 by Joebotz

[Joebotz]

Update: Was messing around on the old save and found that I cannot enter Nuka world without a crash I am assuming the same with Far Harbor but I have yet to travel there yet in this playthrough.

[Joebotz]

Consider the matter solved. I was over the plugin limit......

[StormWolf01]

Consider the matter solved. I was over the plugin limit......

HAHAHA! That's actually really funny. I was looking through your ini file that you'd posted last, and I was thinking "Ok, this looks to be in order, I'll probly count up his load order after this".

 

 

That's not to say that it's funny that you had to go through this kind of frustration and work tho. Or that you're going to have to decide which of your mods to keep, and which to let go of. Or that you're at the spot where you're going to have to pick and choose which mods you install from here on out. That part, is an aggrivation.

I am however, glad that you reached the point where you found out what was causing the problem.

 

There may be good news on the horizon however. Pretty soon, Bethesda is going to release an update that will revamp the way that ESL files work. Which MIGHT mean that some of our mods we can convert over to ESL to take up less slots in our load order max. I can't say as I'm going to personally jump on that train as soon as they release it, I've learned to wait, and see how it goes from other people's reports. But it's a possibility!