formalrevya Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) If you cant back it up with math and show how you stuck to your build yet still maxed all attributes, then there is nothing more to say. Prove it. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Races here's the official list of stats for the races. now if I take the starting bonus that a specific race gets to certain skills and attributes, and combine it with the bonus from the birthsign and the bonus from picking certain skills as major I get their starting stats, and their starting levels in major attributes. Now If I pick a class that relies heavily on skills that have the same governing attribute, I'm looking at at least 3 to 4 attribute points for those each time I level up. All I have to do is add together all of their starting skills once I get out of the starting sewer, subtract that number from 700, and then divide the number I get by 7 to determine how many times I can level up. then applying my average attribute gain per level, I can easily determine what a class's finished stats are going to look like. So, there's your math.For the pre made classes, and if you leveled each one the exact same way, hit for hit, skill gain by skill gain. You just proved my point. Thanks. A build that sticks with his skill set will not max all attributes, fact. But I see people are still hung up on how it worked, and not how it would work now. The point has already been made by a modder: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/13968 That is more diversity than vanilla. Simple math. Attributes coupled with skills, coupled with perks is more diversity than just skills and perks. I didn't prove your point, I just spit in the face of it. And Your entire argument has been how the oblivion leveling system created more diversity and disallowed you to go beyond the confines of your character, Pulling mods from skyrim or oblivion does not prove your point. You don't have a point, you're an ineffective arguer who somewhere along the line got the opinion from someone that you can win by taking the words of others out of context to support your own claims, bending the facts to fit your viewpoint, and continually crowing about how right you are means You've won. It doesn't. Edited November 1, 2012 by formalrevya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enatiomorph Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) You just proved that no build ever maxed all attributed when sticking to their build. My point. Now I know you are a troll, since all you've been doing is taking what Ive said out of context and not reading. You clearly didnt read in any of your first responses to me. Which can be seen by simply going back and reading the thread. You were proven wrong and now you are in denial. My point: When you stuck to your build, you never maxed all attributes. And my other Point: That 3 sets of variables is more diverse than 2. Neither of which you have even really argued against. Because you apparently dont want to read. Edited November 1, 2012 by Enatiomorph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainia Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) ok, seriously. This topic has turned into nothing more than a he's wrong no you're wrong fest. /: is that really the point?We all have differing opinions. One of the biggest signs of maturity is the ability to discuss things rationally, or let a subject go if theres' no way to meet in the middle. Maybe we should all do that. :> Edited November 1, 2012 by slainia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enatiomorph Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) Yep, 3>2 will stand and it's over with. Again, proven by a modder:My link Edited November 1, 2012 by Enatiomorph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formalrevya Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 You just proved that no build ever maxed all attributed when sticking to their build. My point. Now I know you are a troll. As others have stated, there is very little difference between having a skill at 80 and having it at 90. There's also quite a lot of overlap in what the attributes actually affect. You have not in any way shape of form proven that Oblivions system is "mathematically" More diverse than Skyrims. Your entire argument amounts to 2 one dollar bills being more than 1 ten dollar bill and obviously the superior choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sajuukkhar9000 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) You're obviously referring to Oblivion (especially level scaling, since that was never a problem in any other ES). Sorry but if you thought the game got nearly impossible, then you must not be very good. Do you have a hard time remembering what you write? At what point where you gong to get on the same page as me, and understand we are talking about their implementation in Skyrim? How long before you get it?No I was actually referring to games like Fallout which denied you the good option to countless quests because you didn't have an attribute at a high enough level, which you couldn't have known before hand that you would need an attribute at that high of a level unless you read some walk through or guide before you started playing. And really, where you got anything about Oblivion from that is beyond me, do you have a hard time not making stuff up and putting word into people's mouths? No, I understand you are talking about implementing them in Skyrim, my entire point is that putting attributes in Skyrim is a dumb thing, because attributes are pointless and only kill character diversity. Edited November 1, 2012 by sajuukkhar9000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enatiomorph Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) Like always, you didnt read as you cant even get my point right. Goodbye, trolls. A modder has already proven me right, yet again: My link That is more diversity than without. Edited November 1, 2012 by Enatiomorph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sajuukkhar9000 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) I find it funny that the attribute mod you linked to only has 88 endorsements. One would think if people truly wanted them, or thought they were a good idea, it would have more downloads? Edited November 1, 2012 by sajuukkhar9000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enatiomorph Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) Its hard for someone else to get you point right when you don't have a point to being with.No, it was you that never had a point. Slow down, and type better. Proof Edited November 1, 2012 by Enatiomorph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formalrevya Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Its hard for someone else to get you point right when you don't have a point to being with.No, it was you that never had a point. Slow down, and type better. Proof That proves absolutely nothing. Except someone liked the attribute system in oblivion and made a skyrim mod that introduced it. It does delve into anything related to this discussion. Did you even read the description for the Mod page? Because whatever you think is there, isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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