Having a strange issue with NPCs standing in place

[ScaryPunkGhost25]

I'm having a strange issue with my modded New Vegas where certain NPCs stand in place in certain areas. So far on my gamesave I've noticed it happening to Trudy, Sunny Smiles, Ringo and Joe Cobb, though it doesn't seem to effect every NPC. Trudy and Sunny Smiles for instance both just stand outside of their house and don't move. I made merged plugins and had to remake my navmesh so maybe it has something to do with that but I'm stumped.

 

Load Order

0 0 FalloutNV.esm

1 1 DeadMoney.esm

2 2 HonestHearts.esm

3 3 OldWorldBlues.esm

4 4 LonesomeRoad.esm

5 5 GunRunnersArsenal.esm

6 6 ClassicPack.esm

7 7 MercenaryPack.esm

8 8 TribalPack.esm

9 9 CaravanPack.esm

10 a YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm

11 b oHUD.esm

12 c SomeguySeries.esm

13 d NVInteriors_Core.esm

14 e Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm

15 f Navmesh Fixes and Improvements.esm

16 10 NVInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

17 11 TLD_Travelers.esm

18 12 Project Nevada - Core.esm

19 13 Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

20 14 CFWNV.esm

21 15 Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.esm

22 16 Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

23 17 Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

24 18 Interior Lighting Overhaul - L38PS.esm

25 19 Project Nevada - Extra Options.esm

26 1a FCOMaster.esm

27 1b YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp

28 1c The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

29 1d The Weapon Mod Menu.esp

30 1e dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp

31 1f Book of Steel.esp

32 20 Distributed Necklaces and Chains.esp

33 21 Pipboy2501.esp

34 22 Filling New Vegas.esp

35 23 Vurt's WFO.esp

36 24 Uncut Wasteland.esp

37 25 SimpleStreetLights.esp

38 26 MiscMerge1.esp

39 27 New Vegas Landscape Overhaul.esp

Harvestable Cave Fungus.esp

Vendors Containers Respawn Fix.esp

40 28 Project Nevada - Rebalance Complete.esp

41 29 Project Nevada - All DLC.esp

Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal.esp

42 2a EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp

43 2b IMPACT.esp

44 2c L38Improved.esp

45 2d TheSinkRemodel.esp

46 2e CFW_Fix_POSTFIX-AiO.esp

47 2f Mojave Arsenal.esp

48 30 Unofficial Patch Plus.esp

49 31 Unofficial Patch Plus - Addendum.esp

50 32 Asurah_reanimation.esp

51 33 WeaponModsExpanded.esp

52 34 MiscMerge2.esp

53 35 Unforgiving Combat.esp

54 36 WMX-DLCMerged.esp

55 37 CCSP2_5d.esp

56 38 WMX-EVE-AllDLCMerged.esp

ImmersivePickupSoundsFNV.esp

57 39 Perk Rework.esp

58 3a CFW_Fix-AiO.esp

59 3b FNV Realistic Wasteland Lighting - All DLC.esp

60 3c Nights are Darker - Ultimate Edition.esp

61 3d More Perks Merged.esp

62 3e ADAM Complete.esp

63 3f ADAM - MERGE.esp

64 40 ADAM - Trooper Gloves.esp

65 41 CraftableWeaponMods-WeaponsOfTheNewMillenia.esp

66 42 Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Leveled.Lists.esp

67 43 No Witnesses.esp

68 44 cfw-perkoutofthisworld.esp

69 45 WMX-CCSP-EVE-AllDLCMerged.esp

70 46 WMX-EVE_ALL_DLC.esp

71 47 Unofficial Patch Plus - Project Nevada Patch.esp

72 48 SomePerks.esp

73 49 Project Nevada - Cyberware Additions.esp

74 4a True Wasteland Economy.esp

75 4b More Realistic Aiming.esp

76 4c B42Inertia.esp

77 4d NPCs Can Miss.esp

MiscItemIconsNV.esp

78 4e Water Overhaul.esp

79 4f medtektraumakit_edisleado.esp

80 50 medtektraumakit_edisleado_fasttravelcripple.esp

81 51 medtektraumakit_edisleado_HH.esp

82 52 VATS Alternative - Bullet Time.esp

83 53 Quest Item Hider.esp

84 54 FOVSlider.esp

85 55 Companions Combat-Ready.esp

86 56 AutoMedicKitNPC.esp

87 57 JIP Companions Command & Control.esp

88 58 ILO - YUP Patch.esp

PG Camp North.esp

better docs house1.4.esp

BT Remove Powderganger Ownership.esp

89 59 ArmourMerge.esp

90 5a DeepSpiritualEyes-NV.esp

91 5b Ragdolls.esp

92 5c CorpsesUseVanillaSkeletons.esp

ncrandlegionpatrols.esp

93 5d NewVegasBounties.esp

94 5e TheInheritance.esp

95 5f Russell.esp

96 60 Project Nevada - WMX.esp

97 61 Project Nevada - EVE All DLC.esp

TeslaWeaponsPack.esp

98 62 Baddarkl Perk Overhaul.esp

99 63 NV_STTraitsandPerks_Crunch - NVSE.esp

100 64 Improved Traits.esp

brotherhoodpresence.esp

Strip Wall Billboards.esp

MP5K.esp

101 65 AutumnLeaves.esp

102 66 NukaCola-Ojo.esp

103 67 FNVMerged2.0.esp

104 68 CFW-PN-DLC.esp

105 69 CFW-PN.esp

106 6a CFW-DLC.esp

107 6b Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Honest.Hearts.Grunt.Patch.esp

108 6c CFWNV_Fixed Weapons.esp

109 6d YUP - AutumnLeaves Patch.esp

Mossberg590.esp

TFH 1st Recon Helmet.esp

110 6e Glasses Fix.esp

WEarmor.esp

T45d Power Armor Replacement - PN.esp

PrimmCarnival.esp

AAACourierRiotGear(Craft).esp

111 6f AAACourierRiotGear.esp

GlovesGalore.esp

GlovesGalore_DeadMoney.esp

SpoonRedone.esp

M1897.esp

SR556.esp

112 70 L96.esp

expadvarmor01.esp

XVSharlArmour.esp

DragsModernGunslinger.esp

I Got Spurs.esp

hz_1 by 1 Reload Fix.esp

hz_Automatic Weapons Fix.esp

Diagonal movement.esp

evilkarmatweak.esp

Stealing -1 Karma.esp

JokerineKarmaGraves.esp

migWellRested.esp

Nevada Combat.esp

ImmersiveRecoil.esp

Pickpocket Overhaul.esp

Threshold.esp

BetterArmedBrightFollowers.esp

Honest Hearts Workbench Crate Luck.esp

Ghouls Glowing Spell Fix.esp

Faster Terminals.esp

Debt Collector Quest Fix.esp

Rain Fix.esp

Casino Exchange All.esp

Better Pickup Prompt.esp

Eddie Hears An Explosion.esp

Tutorial Killer.esp

BushSounds.esp

No More Double Open & Close Sounds.esp

Cut Sewers Restored.esp

UltimateUnarmedMeleePerkTweaks.esp

GS G36c.esp

Empty or Not Empty.esp

RangerPA.esp

113 71 SimpleStreetLightFix.esp

khanpresence.esp

L85a2.esp

Widowmaker-UniqueLeverActionWeapon.esp

XM4RAW.esp

114 72 Kriss.esp

FCO - PathFixing Vanilla.esp

KnifeRetextureWMX.esp

New Icons For T-51B FONV Edition.esp

CIB Bighorners - HH.esp

karlsJnlegionledger.esp

Skinny Bears.esp

CIB Bighorners.esp

FCO3-PNEquipment.esp

JohnsonNashNCRAmmoFix.esp

FCO + YUP.esp

FCO - OHSB NPC Edits.esp

FCO3-CFWNV.esp

115 73 WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp

116 74 AmmoChecking.esp

117 75 WTHeskett's DamageMult 5x.esp

118 76 ArmedToTheTeeth-NewVegas.esp

119 77 HairPatcher.esp

120 78 zzjayHairsFNV.esp

121 79 CASM.esp

Holorifle Re-Projected.esp

Karabiner98k.esp

GS Benelli M3Super90.esp

PhotonLaserWeapons.esp

M2281A1_TAR.esp

M1903A3Springfield.esp

GS Barrett 95.esp

AI_Revolver.esp

RemingtonModel8.esp

R700.esp

SKS.esp

ReconLaserWeapons.esp

L96_AMR.esp

Pernach.esp

BT87.esp

BHPM1935.esp

KP31.esp

Serbu.esp

WA2000.esp

Scout.esp

TOZ66.esp

Galil.esp

SVU.esp

FAMAS.esp

HeavyPlasmaRepeater.esp

TacticalLaserRifle.esp

CZ805.esp

PKM.esp

M16A2.esp

DEagle.esp

Karmic Balance.esp

122 7a DYNAVISION 3.esp

123 7b Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp

124 7c ILO - New Vegas Bounties.esp

125 7d ILO - NVInteriors Project.esp

126 7e WeaponsMerge.esp

127 7f FCO - NPC Changes.esp

128 80 FCO - GlowingOne.esp

129 81 FCO3-UFPP.esp

Thanks in advance for any help.

[dubiousintent]

This sounds like you have "too many plugins".

 

* Move any "inactive/disabled" plugins out of the game "Data" folder. They count against the "plugin cap" because they get loaded by the game engine if found, and can cause "Missing Master" problems. Please see the wiki "Missing Masters" article if you get that error message. If those plugins without the "mod index" numbers are "deactivated by the "Bash Patch", then you failed to have them "ghosted" by "Wrye Bash/Flash" when you built your "Bashed Patch" (which does not appear to be the case). Please see the wiki "Bashed Patch file with Marked Mergeables" article.

* Don't install every optional file for a mod. Read the install instructions carefully. Optional files need to be selected on a "case by case" basis. For example: with any mod you usually only need one ESP (and possibly one ESM) "base" file depending upon whether you have all the DLCs active or not. Only if you don't have them all active do you need to install any specific DLC versions if there is an "Ultimate Edition/All/Merged DLC" version.

* "Compatibility patches" to make one mod work with another need to be placed after (as in "physically lower, higher numbered") in the "load order" than ALL of the plugins they are designed to make compatible. (This also applies to "fix" files.) ESMs should always be placed at the top (lowest numbered) positions in the "load order", followed by the related ESPs though they can be separated from their ESMs by other plugins. LOOT does a good job of determining those basic orders. Getting the "load order" incorrect will cause "Missing Masters" errors as well. You can make minor adjustments to the order and tell LOOT how to remember them. It's in the on-line documentation under "Metadata".

FYI: The "pre-order packs" (aka "POPs": Caravan, Classic, Mercenary, and Tribal; available now in the "Courier's Stash" addon), are not considered "true DLC expansions" by most mods and are treated as "compatibility patches" because they just add certain unique items. So their absence should not deter you from using "All DLC Merged" plugins. Where they are included, they should come after "GunrunnersArsenal.ESM" which is a true DLC expansion. When in doubt, follow the process in the wiki "Missing Masters" article to confirm they are not "master files" for that plugin.

* You really need to use a "Merge Patch File" with that collection of mods. Please see the 'Third Rule: The Rule of One' and 'Merge Patch File' sections of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article.

 

Take a careful look at your WMX and EVE plugins. You don't appear to need some in view of the "merged" versions you are also including. If they are still needed as "masters", then you need to re-examine how you created your merges. Please see the wiki "Merged Plugin Guidelines for Personal Use" article.

Please see the 'Common Game Problems' section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article.

 

-Dubious-

[M48A5]

:ninja: by dubious.

Edited December 6, 2019 by M48A5

[ScaryPunkGhost25]

The disabled plugins in my load order are part of the plugin merges I have made. Are they still safe to remove from my load order?

 

Also, I do have a merged patch in my load order made by FNVEdit, it just wasn't at the bottom as it should have been.

 

Also which EVE and WMX plugins do I not need? They're compatibility for DLC, CCSP, WRP, Project Nevada and Weapons of the New Millennia, which i use all of.

 

Edit: I tried disabling all of my inactive plugins but the problem still persists. When I've had a problem with too many plugins before it's never manifested like this, the game usually just doesn't load any textures and then crashes.

[ScaryPunkGhost25]

Update: I waited in game until nighttime and Trudy moved cell from outside her door (where she was stood) to inside her house. She walks around fine inside her house, but Ringo outside is still stationary, and Trudy begins to stand still again upon leaving her house, making me think this may be an issue with the navmesh. Is there a way for me to check and fix the navmesh / find out what plugin may be causing it?

 

As I said earlier, when I made one of my plugin merges, I had to rebuild my navmesh info map, so maybe it has something to do with that.

[ScaryPunkGhost25]

Update: Solved! Turns out this was an issue with the mod "Filling New Vegas" deleting navmeshes. Deactivated the mod and the problem went away.

[dubiousintent]

Glad to hear you resolved your problem. Thanks for reporting back.

 

In answer to your question about still needing the original files that have been "merged": Not if done properly.

 

When you merge plugins, the resulting file should be combining all the contents of the ESPs that were being combined. (Merging ESMs is not generally a good practice as other mods often expect to find and use them as "masters" for their assets. If you have merged them into your own plugin, those "other plugins" won't find them unless you manually change them to use your plugin as their master instead, which leads to a whole barrel of worms.)

 

Speaking of "assets" any "mesh, texture, etc." loose files any of the individual combined files need to also be included in the merged package (or installed separately). Mator's "Merge Plugins StandAlone" tool has a configuration checkbox you need to enable to ensure these get included. The resulting merge has everything you told it to include. So the original files are no longer needed in the "load order". If some other mod needs the original as a "master", then it is not a good candidate to be merged.

 

Rebuilding the "navmesh info" of a merged plugin is common. As it is automatic by opening the plugin in the GECK and immediately saving again without doing anything else, there isn't much room for error there. A mod deleting navmesh paths is a more common error.

 

-Dubious-