Load order help?

[DelugesNeuron]

I was starting a new Skyrim SE play-through and doing a sort of modular install of mods a few at a time and testing them for stability, and had a very stable play-through going then a week or two ago several of my mods needed updating. I also misread one message popup, and thought that I had a steam error and re-verified my game files in steam, which resulted in having to redo several game settings after verification.

 

Since then I have random CTDs, which don't seem to leave anything in the logs to help identify the problem. The ctds are usually in the exterior worldspace when just walking or riding around. I use MO2.

 

I use the Live Another Life alternate start mod, and the ctds seem to happen more frequently near Riverwood after leaving toward Helgen, or when approaching Helgen itself from any direction, though they sometimes occur elsewhere or when going from exterior to interior cells and vice versa.

 

I did have the Helgen Reborn mod installed, and I deactivated it, and started a new profile and new save/start from character generation, but the ctds still occur as before.

 

I don't know if its related but the Live Another Life quest progression also seems somehow off, about 8 times out of 10; after leaving the Helgen cave with either Ralof or Hadvar, things proceed normally until arrival in Riverwood, then either Hadvar or Ralof get close to Alvor or Gerdur, and simply stop before going up to them and initiating the dialogue lines. When this happens I can still talk to them, but they only offer generic commentary as if they were still on the road toward Riverwood, and not arrived in Riverwood and standing 2 feet from Alvor/ Gerdur.

 

I did try the RASD alternate start once, and the alternate Helgen/ Riverwood scenes played out normally, but I didn't extensively test that game beyond that point as I like the LAL mod and am more familiar with it.

 

Loot shows no errors, masters have been cleaned, all mods are updated, and all conflicts showing in MO2 have been resolved.

 

Is there anything in my Load order that more experienced eyes out there spot that could cause this?

 

 

Here's my load order:

 

 

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

6 6 Campfire.esm

254 FE 0 Lind's Wizard Robes SSE- Texture Replacer.esl

7 7 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

254 FE 1 LostEnchantments.esl

8 8 OBIS SE.esp

9 9 Frostfall.esp

10 a Ars Metallica.esp

11 b SkyUI_SE.esp

12 c iHUD.esp

13 d Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

14 e campersworkbench.esp

15 f craftableeverythingspecialedition.esp

16 10 craftableeverythingspecialeditiondawnguard.esp

17 11 craftableeverythingspecialeditiondragonborn.esp

18 12 CampfirePrimitiveShelter.esp

19 13 SimpleCampfireAdditions.esp

20 14 JMR Camp Storage - Requires Campfire.esp

21 15 FoodforFrostfall.esp

22 16 Warm Drinks.esp

254 FE 2 CBBE.esp

23 17 AMatterOfTime.esp

24 18 TimingIsEverything.esp

25 19 iNeed.esp

26 1a iNeed - Extended.esp

27 1b Sit Anywhere.esp

28 1c Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

29 1d MOD - Simply Better Horses (SSE).esp

30 1e Leave Combat.esp

31 1f Point The Way.esp

254 FE 3 playercelllocationinfo.esp

32 20 FNIS.esp

33 21 FNISspells.esp

34 22 FISS.esp

35 23 wizDynamicThings.esp

36 24 UIExtensions.esp

254 FE 4 AddItemMenuSE.esp

37 25 JaxonzEnhGrab.esp

38 26 Cloaks.esp

39 27 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

40 28 Holidays.esp

41 29 BecomeABard.esp

42 2a CollegeApplication.esp

43 2b Elemental Destruction.esp

44 2c Bound Tools Spell.esp

45 2d Forgotten Spells.esp

46 2e Celtic_Music_In_Skyrim_SE.esp

47 2f Celtic_Music_In_Skyrim_SE_Dungeon.esp

48 30 Vivid WeathersSE.esp

49 31 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

254 FE 5 RealisticWaterTwo - Needs Mod Patch.esp

50 32 Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp

51 33 XPMSE.esp

52 34 Insignificant Object Remover.esp

53 35 Beards.esp

54 36 Brows.esp

55 37 12FemaleBrows.esp

56 38 SPTConsistentOlderPeopleSE.esp

57 39 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

58 3a The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp

59 3b Realistic Haircolors.esp

60 3c RaceMenu.esp

61 3d RaceMenuPlugin.esp

62 3e RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

63 3f RLO - Exteriors.esp

64 40 RLO - Interiors.esp

RLO - Effects.esp

65 41 Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim - Merged.esp

66 42 Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim City Edition - Merged.esp

67 43 HoldBorderBanners.esp

68 44 CompanionsTweaks.esp

254 FE 6 More Radiant Quests for the Companions.esp

69 45 BlendedRoads.esp

70 46 nwsMirabelleFollower.esp

71 47 Vivace.esp

72 48 Chaconne.esp

73 49 Bijin_AIO-SV 2018.esp

74 4a My Home Is Your Home.esp

75 4b AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

76 4c sandboxcylinderheight.esp

77 4d Provincial Courier Service.esp

78 4e PAN_NPCs.esp

79 4f Run For Your Lives.esp

80 50 Hunters Not Bandits.esp

81 51 LevelersTower.esp

82 52 Rervun - Build Your Starter House - Winterhold.esp

83 53 Rervun - Build Your Starter House - Rift.esp

84 54 Rervun - Build Your Starter House.esp

85 55 Rervun - Build Your Starter House - Reach.esp

86 56 RiverwoodHuntingCabinSE.esp

87 57 FollowerPerdiccas.esp

88 58 Giraud Gemane Sells Books.esp

89 59 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp

90 5a Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp

91 5b Atlas Legendary.esp

Vivid Weathers SE - Bruma Patch.esp

Vivid Weathers SE - Falskaar.esp

254 FE 7 Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_USSEP Patch.esp

92 5c MagicalCollegeofWinterhold.esp

93 5d ClassicClasses.esp

94 5e Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

95 5f Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp

96 60 Starting Spell Choice.esp

97 61 MCoW_CampfirePatch.esp

98 62 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[DoctorKaizeld]

just gonna quote myself from another thread instead of rewriting it all out, so if you have any questions please ask

 

 

LOOT does sort fine. Though it isn't all that useful or necessary. Sorting is easy once you understand how also if you use Vortex it gets a lot easier as Vortex shows you exactly which mods need to be sorted at all.

 

So when it comes to sorting it all has to do with what the mods do. For example, a mod that adds a texture shouldn't effect a mod that changes audio stuff as such their relation to each other doesn't matter. Another example would be two texture mods one involves a sword texture and the other one affects an armor texture, these two mods won't conflict as they change or add to entirely different things. Whereas two texture mods that change iron armor will affect each other and the more important one should go first (though in practice this would be silly as one will always override the other making it pointless as to have both)

 

What LOOT does is find mods that conflict (alter the same files) and mods with dependencies and tries to organize them as best it can while it is really up to you to decide if the mods are correctly organized as LOOT is far from perfect and may move a mod that is required by another mod out of order. Again Vortex makes this a lot easier by telling you which mods these are and having you decide what order they should be in by telling it to place one mod as a higher priority than another.

[DelugesNeuron]

Re: reply from DoctorKaizeld

 

Thanks!

 

I've become so familiar with using MO2 that I haven't been brave enough to try Vortex yet, but I keep running across positive comments.

 

I'm comfortable with the way load order in general works, whether with LOOT or manual sorting.

 

What I was trying to determine was whether my load order suggested anything to more experienced modders that might cause glitches or ctds, particularly around Helgen/ Riverwood. The only two mods I have loaded that are specific to that area are the Hunters cabin and Levelers Tower mods, but I've used them in previous playthroughs without running into this issue.

 

My system is new-ish, and defaults to 'Ultra' settings on installing the game, but certainly isn't state of the art or anything; I thought perhaps my Weather/Lighting/Realistic Waters/Grass mods might be in the wrong place or might not play well with each other. I'm also using Noble skyrim for most textures instead of the 2017 pack that I used in prior versions.

 

I don't know if its relevant or not, but in addition to the above mods, I am using an ENB- Ruhvaak Dahmaan.

 

Really just trying to get some ideas of things to activate/deactivate or install/ uninstall in order to get back to a stable game.