Non Steam copy of a Steam exclusive game

[NemesisTheWarlock]

Thanks Lisnpuppy :)

I would have popped the link in myself but I simply didn't have the time to find it when I posted ;)

[pmmurphy]

I have so many frustrated complaints about things like steam. I hate how you have to support steam and make an account and be binded to the limitations of a network and internet to enjoy a single player game.

 

It makes many things complicated and difficult and causes many complicated work-arounds. It makes technical modifications to things other than what the developer gives almost near impossible. If you plan to do any sort of technical research on the applications of their game in relation to other things it makes testing things all but impossible.

 

The only way to go about doing this is to message the creators of the game and buy off their source code. Since everything is highly protected due to pirates. There is nothing illegal about testing things for the sake of knowledge. That leaves people with the task of reverse engineering the game. Some people don't like the idea of reverse engineering their products but no matter what they like or dislike it is not illegal. You just can't sell a reverse engineered copy and claim it to be your own.

 

The point is. For future programmers and developers who wish to study and analyze game engines and like specific games. Having technical blocks and having to deal with sites and all these privacy acceses or not being able to put a game over a multi-processing network is a pain since you have to configure it for steam.

 

Which forces people who want to learn more about game development to make their own game from scratch. It would just be nice if they had a way to go about doing this.

 

I have my own frustrations with steam and steam-like companies. Its ok if the company who made the game also has an internet provider of their own like Blizzard. But when a collection of companies use someone elses like steam. It bothers the hell out of me. Because not only would i have to contact bethesda, but i have to contact steam too. Then i have to get steam and bethesda contacting each other.

 

Makes the whole process 100% pointless as nothing ever gets done.

[blove]

You should try Full Sail University instead.

[pmmurphy]

problem about going to full sail university and getting a degree in game development. Is your education is too narrow and your career options are much more closed then studying computer science.

 

Yes it will do what i want.

 

But it may also leave me eating out of a cardboard box in return.

 

Game industry is highly competitive.

[bben46]

@pmmurphy: Beth is a business, and like any business profit is their prime motivator for everything they do. By going with Steam, they cut out a lot of the expenses of making and distributing millions of DVDs, or of making and maintaining their own site for distributing the game. - Steam already has the system down pat - with the primary concern of making more money for valve and not making it easy for users. :whistling:

 

As for reverse engineering the games, of course Neither Beth or valve want you doing that as you would then become privy to their tricks of game making. And then use their own techniques against them in the market when you do program games for some other company. No, reverse engineering is not technically illegal. But what you do with it after you reverse engineer it may be. Neither is it illegal for them to make it difficult for a possible competitor to steal their ideas.

 

IMO, the Gambryo engine used by Beth is already very well documented as it is used in various forms by several other game companies, and is showing it's age. It is a 15 year old 32 bit game engine now held together with duct tape, bailing wire and chewing gum patches. (And still has that aggravating memory leak that came with the original version) Gambryo - even the modified version that Beth insisted on using for Skyrim is last decade tech. If you are looking to the future, find a 64 bit up and coming game engine and study that. :thumbsup:

 

Also the game industry is currently a 'glamor' industry - meaning that many kiddies consider it prestigious and will take a low salary. Or even NO salary or a promise of maybe a percentage if the game makes money - and about 80% of them don't. Just to get to say they make games. Those are the people you will be competing with for a job with a game company. Just to get their foot in the door they will take a job that includes cleaning toilets and working 80 hours a week for a possible paycheck in the future and their name on the credits. At least with a CS degree you have a choice of a few higher paying jobs :rolleyes: to build your credibility as a programmer if you can't break into game development right away.

[pmmurphy]

I dislike buisness minded people. I dislike buisness. I wish communisium was the norm and worked as intended on paper instead of how it worked in reality.

 

Someon makes a mod or a new script or a new program. All they care about is their name and how much money they get and how to improve their career. I'd rather just make software to improve technology then let my work speak for itself.

[pmmurphy]

Also i read some scripts by other modders for fallout 3 and noticed it was a 32 bit engine. Wooooooow...

 

It shocked me.

 

Seeing a time variable declared as a float baffled me. I thought i was in the stone age.

[bben46]

If communism worked the way old Karl wrote the book, then you would have been tested at about 15 and assigned to your future occupation with no way to get it changed - His proposal was that you would work for the good of everyone (the state) doing what you were best at (as determined by that state). Everyone gets the same compensation (what they need) no matter what they do or how hard (or not) they work. So, for being a mediocre ditch digger, you get to live in the same accommodations and eat the same food as a brilliant physician. After all it's only fair that everyone gets treated the same and everyone gets the same stuff no matter how much - or how little they contribute. Just as long as they do contribute at least some.

 

BTW Karl thought that occupations like artist should be discouraged in favor of 'useful' pursuits. I wonder how 'useful' he would have considered a game designer? :blush:

 

Paraphrased from Fallout 3

Alright Butch, the result of your G.O.A.T. is hairdresser - Enjoy your future occupation. :P

For those who haven't played FO3 - G.O.A.T. = General Occupational Aptitude Test - given to every Vault 101 dweller at the end of their basic education to see what job they would get assigned to.

[Eckss]

Not to mention that "lesser races" would have been exterminated as a necessity to purify the proletariat. Marx was a hateful racist. His description of the German-Jewish socialist Ferdinand Lassalle, illustrates his views:

It is now completely clear to me, that, as proven by the shape of his head and the growth of his hair, he [Lassalle] stems from the Negroes who joined the march of Moses out of Egypt (if his mother or grandmother on his father’s side did not mate with a n**ger). Now this combination of Jewry and Germanism with the negroid basic substance must bring forth a peculiar product. The pushiness of this lad is also n**ger-like.

On topic - Steam do not behave like capitalists. Adam Smith used the term Mercantilist to describe that which many people refer to as capitalism in the modern day. In truth, it's Capitalism, as envisioned by Adam Smith that would make the world a better place if it was implemented as intended. And that's none of yer GOAT. :D

[roquefort]

Not to mention that "lesser races" would have been exterminated as a necessity to purify the proletariat. Marx was a hateful racist. His description of the German-Jewish socialist Ferdinand Lassalle, illustrates his views:

The source from which you have apparently taken the above, and the related quote, actually says;

 

"At the same time Marx was not immune to the racist stereotypes of his day. His description of the German-Jewish socialist Ferdinand Lassalle, which Sperber describes as “an ugly outburst, even by the standards of the nineteenth century,” illustrates this influence:" (New York Review of Books, http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/may/09/real-karl-marx/?pagination=false).

 

The point made is that Marx's views about "lesser races" were fairly typical of the times in which he lived and of "Western" society generally; such attitudes were not uncommon by any means, though Sperber does see this as extreme. No hint of extermination or "purifying the proletariat", as you put it, though.