Framerate suddenly drops to 1-3 fps on high end PCH

[Patafoin]

Patafoin, It is very unlikely to cause the freezes that you've described, but nonetheless RaceMenu and EnhancedCharacterEdit are known to be conflicting with each other.

 

 

YEa, DEFINITELY shouldn't be using Racemenu AND ECE, you should use one or the other.

Yeah I'm aware of that, they're definitely not supposed to work together, I know, but they never actually caused any issue and I always found they actually do work well together :laugh:

[shumkar]

they actually do work well together :laugh:

 

So they deceived everyone :laugh:

 

Edit: The most difficult in your freezes is, as I think, that it rarely happens. How many hours would it take to check if it's gone or not... Uninstalling mods by one isn't suitable. If anyone knowledgeable guess, for a reasonable number of attempts, it would be the best.

Edited January 25, 2020 by shumkar

[shumkar]

I do have quite a few mods that use scripts but I'm not sure I know what qualifies as "script heavy"... Immersive Citizens ? AIM FIX ? Immersive Patrols ?

 

If you installed mods manually, you would be able to look at scripts, its number and size; sometimes you'd have to unpack .bsa for that.

 

In general, yes, more game dynamics means more scripts. All interactions are scripted e.g. with NPC, horses, etc.

 

Edit: Or, if installed automatically, Vortex stores all mod archives in its Download folder? It's possible to look there, but that folder is not for unpacking/editing!

Edited January 25, 2020 by shumkar

[anjenthedog]

 

Edit: Or, if installed automatically, Vortex stores all mod archives in its Download folder? It's possible to look there, but that folder is not for unpacking/editing!

 

Well, you probably shouldn't edit them directly from the Vortex archive folder itself, but there's no reason you can't copy a mod file out of the vortex archive folder to a dummy folder and open it with 7zip there. or even the entire list if you have space elsewhere.

[Patafoin]

Okay guys after forever trying to figure out what's wrong, disabling mods that were actually fine, cleaning up my save with Resaver, reading every bug section of pretty much every mod I have, I finally found out the culprit is HDT-SMP !
Basically, after a while, everything that works with HDT-SMP, meaning physics with collision (clothes, hair, boobs, butts), ends up in a spiral where one movement pushes one thing that makes another one move etc... The problem is that I have a pretty realistic setup, no huge boobs, no 2m long hair styles, everything looks natural, even the movements, boobs aren't flying left and right, only faint realistic movements, so I have no way of noticing, but in reality everything ends up acting like a Newton's Cradle and whatever CPU you have ends up going crazy about it at some point, dedicating all it's power towards these faint movements.

The thing is, the modders new this, so they made a simple console command: " smp reset " just to solve that problem, but they don't say it anywhere in the mod descriptions so I had to find other people's complaints about it on the mod's bug section to find other users who know about this command.

 

TL; DR: It's HDT-SMP. Solution: type console command " smp reset " every time the problem occurs.

Edited January 26, 2020 by Patafoin

[shumkar]

Patafoin,

 

Good job, you've resolved the issue fast.

 

boobs aren't flying left and right

 

OK!! :smile:

Edited January 26, 2020 by shumkar

[anjenthedog]

This is why I think (edit: *most*) people should be sticking with the CBP-only build for bodies instead of jumping on the SMP variant for that extra thigh wubba. It's well known (and pretty much stated right up front in 3BBB, BHUNP, and HDT-framework mod descriptions and posts) that the SMP HDT bodies often result in a collapse of frame rates due to excessive computational demands..

[Patafoin]

This is why I think (edit: *most*) people should be sticking with the CBP-only build for bodies instead of jumping on the SMP variant for that extra thigh wubba. It's well known (and pretty much stated right up front in 3BBB, BHUNP, and HDT-framework mod descriptions and posts) that the SMP HDT bodies often result in a collapse of frame rates due to excessive computational demands..

Honestly I mostly use it for hair physics so there's no CBP alternative, I'm using KS Hairdos HDT SMP. And IMO it's a deep flaw of HDT SMP because it's not just "very demanding", the fact is whatever hardware you have, even the hottest CPU on the market, it'll max out and get you 1-3 fps when this happens. Some people with 9900Ks were complaining about the same issue I had, and I'm not even pushing hard on it, like I said, just average length hair, average size boobs, subtle movements and just playing Skyrim as intended (running, talking, fighting, looting), no FNIS dances around or crazy animations.

 

I think every HDT-SMP mod page should have a disclaimer in the description reading something like:

"Warning: every once in a while, the physics computation gets out of hand, dropping your framerate by 99% regardless of your hardware, this is a known issue and we're working on a fix. For now all you need to do is open the console and write " smp reset " and the problem will be solved... until it happens again."

[anjenthedog]

SMP hair is one thing, as are skirts etc. (I use them on my female and for female followers for both my female and male players) but for the bodies I advise you to avoid the SMP variants unless you are both an expert at configuring hardware for gaming and have a damned fast, optimized computer.. and are willing to accept the clock sucking blackholes they produce..

 

The SMP wigs and clothing can also be "fixed" when they go wonky (which they do, especially wigs ime I use the other popular hair, can't think of the name right now) simply by taking them off and then putting them back on. FWIW...

 

But if you installed 3BBB or BHUNP and chose any SMP support when that option came up for selection, personally, i'd advise you to reinstall 3BBB and or BHUNP (and or 3BBB advanced for that matter) and choose the CBP only option. IMO SMP for the bodies is not worth the hassle. ymmv.

[Patafoin]

SMP hair is one thing, as are skirts etc. (I use them on my female and for female followers for both my female and male players) but for the bodies I advise you to avoid the SMP variants unless you are both an expert at configuring hardware for gaming and have a damned fast, optimized computer.. and are willing to accept the clock sucking blackholes they produce..

 

The SMP wigs and clothing can also be "fixed" when they go wonky (which they do, especially wigs ime I use the other popular hair, can't think of the name right now) simply by taking them off and then putting them back on. FWIW...

 

But if you installed 3BBB or BHUNP and chose any SMP support when that option came up for selection, personally, i'd advise you to reinstall 3BBB and or BHUNP (and or 3BBB advanced for that matter) and choose the CBP only option. IMO SMP for the bodies is not worth the hassle. ymmv.

Actually you just made me realize I'm not even sure I'm using SMP for the bodies, I don't have 3BBB, I'm only using the "stock" CBBE outfits where some of them have physics enabled through Bodyslider... Are they animated by SMP ? But whatever I can live with it right now, as I said earlier it only happens randomly every few hours and all I have to do as soon as I see my framerate get slammed is enter that line in the console and everything is fine.