Why you should KILL Synth Shaun.

[jjb54]

 

 

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I've seen a couple of videos about the scene where we can chose to leave him there, and not take us with him.

he makes a couple of good arguments, then...just gives up with saying "I hate you."

To me, that's programmed response. He doesn't make another peep or make any further attempt to keep you from leaving him.

Heck, the people around us fight harder to take him with us, than he does.

Might be just poor writing, or poor implementation. But the way it looks...he's not really as concerned about his survival as a person would be.

 

That's an interesting notion tho. If he doesn't mature, and only remains to what he's been programmed, who wants to take care of a ten year old kid for the rest of their life? Especially in the wasteland.

 

 

That's what I noticed too. There is a " program " issue, if you will that " Father " did not account for. The " emotions " of being left behind. I thought it strange that Synth Shaun did not show ' fear ' - ' worry ' or such at being left behind.

 

Right??

He just ended it, with that. Nothing else. He didn't try to run away, he didn't go running screaming and crying, he didn't show any kind of further response. Which brings up the question of , well.... if he knows "hate" how come he doesn't know fear? I'm thinking that he did, in alternate choice lines, where Father "shows him off to you" and the Fake Shaun doesn't know who you are.

Which to me, means that he was reprogrammed since then.

A computer in a living body.

 

Ok, glad of that. Yeah, I was starting to worry about if we were getting too far off track, since you hadn't posted anything back, and was worried that you were mad at us.

 

Here is the thing - Remember the synth that is being held at gunpoint by the couple ( husband ) wants to kill him. You talk them out of it, because if the Synth was going to kill, wouldn't he have done it by now?

 

Remember how that Synth was fearful?

 

Remember the 2 Art characters. One is a synth and one is not. Both showed equal emotions about dying.

 

Synth Shaun showed NO emotions whatsoever ....

 

None of the kids in the commonwealth show any type of actual emotion. This is just bethesda not knowing how to create children. Case in point. This proves nothing regarding Shaun.

 

 

Actually the kids in DC do show emotions and feelings? Case in point: " I don't want to talk right now, I'm not in the mood. " I was just met with that in DC. Another child ran in fear when some shooting started in DC as well.

[jjb54]

 

 

.. Synth Shaun not aging is not an assumption. It's in the game and is clearly stated that he does NOT age. Again, this NOT an assumption.

You're missinterpreting. I'm not talking about the body. I'm talking about the mind. The only thing of importance.

 

 

Okay, sorry - my bad. :)

[AeonsLegend]

 

 

 

 

None of the kids in the commonwealth show any type of actual emotion. This is just bethesda not knowing how to create children. Case in point. This proves nothing regarding Shaun.

 

 

Actually the kids in DC do show emotions and feelings? Case in point: " I don't want to talk right now, I'm not in the mood. " I was just met with that in DC. Another child ran in fear when some shooting started in DC as well.

 

Now you're just throwing random stuff out there. Have you tried taking Shaun to a settlement and then have a shootout? Shaun has the same response. You're trying to maike a point, but you didn't actually check the difference between Shaun and other kids.

 

I'm talking about the fact that kids all have the same state. They don't care about anything. They seem bored, uninterested. They don't act like children at all. Kids are feisty, playfull, mischievious. They run around, play games. None of the children in the commonwealth acts like a kid.

Edited February 15, 2020 by AeonsLegend

[jjb54]

 

 

 

 

 

None of the kids in the commonwealth show any type of actual emotion. This is just bethesda not knowing how to create children. Case in point. This proves nothing regarding Shaun.

 

 

Actually the kids in DC do show emotions and feelings? Case in point: " I don't want to talk right now, I'm not in the mood. " I was just met with that in DC. Another child ran in fear when some shooting started in DC as well.

 

Now you're just throwing random stuff out there. Have you tried taking Shaun to a settlement and then have a shootout? Shaun has the same response. You're trying to maike a point, but you didn't actually check the difference between Shaun and other kids.

 

I'm talking about the fact that kids all have the same state. They don't care about anything. They seem bored, uninterested. They don't act like children at all. Kids are feisty, playfull, mischievious. They run around, play games. None of the children in the commonwealth acts like a kid.

 

 

Hey, calm down.

 

This is just a dialog for fun ...

 

What I found is in Diamond City, the kids there ( limited as they are ) did / do show more emotions, unlike Synth Shaun.

 

Do I agree that Beth took serious short cuts w/the kids?? YES!!!!!!! I totally agree with you on that. :)

[AeonsLegend]

So what are the differences with Synth Shaun and other kids?

[jjb54]

So what are the differences with Synth Shaun and other kids?

 

Well in DC - when there was the Synth gun fight .. brothers .... 1 girl and 1 of the boys responded verbally and physically to it.

. . . Synth Shaun shows no emotions when faced w/a life - death situation.

. . . The girl w/the single father, also responded in serious fear when Synth Patrols attacked.

 

So basically and I understand and totally agree w/your statements about FO children in general and how Beth really showed they could not be bothered.

[AeonsLegend]

Have you actually tried this with Synth Shaun? If you look at his settings in xEdit he's the same as all the other children. So his response is also the same.